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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Harry: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by AndrewR: Well having been doing maps (or trying) since this board was named something else - I gave up about a year or more ago. It's a futile effort that will only send you crazy. The whole problem of 'systems' vs 'territory' sent me balmy. yes there is lots of neutral space - but how do you represent EVERYTHING when it's on such a grand scale. Dots? Doesn't make things clear. [/QUOTE]That's exactly why I decided to just follow on the same track that *all other* Trek charts use, and just fill it all up. There are loads of neutral (and even hostile) systems/alliances within 'Federation space'. Perhaps things are a bit stricter in the Romulan and Klingon Empires, since I doubt the Klingons even have a word for 'neutral', but even there there may be hostile and contested systems. The alternative is to use no territories at all, and strictly go by a system-by-system basis. Or have a standardized 'sphere of influence' around each star. But this approach does not fit the countless maps we've seen that do clearly show frontlines and borders drawn in random ways through the void of interstellar space. [QUOTE] What about the Z-axis? I came to the conclusion that the only way for the UFP, CU, KE and RSE all to have common boarders is to have them all wrap around each other above and below, side-by-side. And yes thanks to the Dominion War and various episodes we know that Bajor is far out away from Earth, the Klingons are VERY far away, yet still have a shared boarder to have boarder wars with the Cardassians. The Romulans didn't want to be involved in the Dominion war but Dominion ships used Romulan space to attack Federation targets. Etc. [/QUOTE]Add to that the fact that entire Romulan and Klingon fleets could get to DS9 without any trouble from the Federation. So there's enough neutral space above, below, or within Federation influence that can be used for massive fleet movements. As the the Cardassio-Klingon wars, I suspect Klingons don't particarly mind attacking someone who doesn't pose a direct threat to their borders. [QUOTE] One thing I would change about your map and one about Mandel's map is that he Puts the Tholian Alliance away from everyone. The Tholians are in the THICK of things. They are interested in Romulan/UFP summits, Klingon Civil Wars would bring them into the fight etc. etc. Enterprise has NOW put Klingon First Contact at 2151... BUT it seems that Romulans are relatively close to Earth see "Past Tense". [/QB][/QUOTE]Well, the Romulans have to be close to facilitate the Romulan War. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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