So there you have it. We're not with you, we're against you. So go ahead, declare war on the country you hate the most. We'll defend it with all the Molson beer we can get our hands on.
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I think most of Europe agrees with the Canadians on this one. Of course the attacks had to do with the way America deals with the Middle East (that's the whole reason they attacked America.. D'OH!).
And the war Iraq is not very popular here either. The German government won't get involved, polls in several countries show that the population is against it. Especially if the Bush and Blair attack without a UN resolution.
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All you people not with us are lucky...you're not gonna get your butt kicked by Iraqis and the Arab world come late this year/early next year, or whenever we go into Iraq.
quote: Americans won't be offended because they're used to political leaders who garble their messages.
But seriously, someone should find a streaming video version of his remarks. This whole thing is really absurd. In my opinion, in the actual interview, he was being rather careful not to step on any toes, and even if the "average" American watched the interview rather than a paraphrased version off their media, they would just shrug and walk away.
Poverty breeds extremism. Duh. The Western world is rich and arrogant. Duh. Welcome to the real world.
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For the love, comparing our world policies to fucking hockey.... That is what disturbs me the most...
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Shall. We. Play. A. Game?
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It seems to me though that it's harder to be "against it" in the US. The patriotism card keeps being played. And it doesn't help that people keep describing the whole thing in film tag-lines.
"They have awoken a sleeping giant."
"They will feel a mother's fury when her children are hurt."
"Bush 2: This time it's about oil. Or terrorism. One of them".
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I had a pretty long and pissy response for all this written up, but then I remembered that anything I say in this venue is next to pointless, so i deleted it.
But the point can be summed up quite nicely for you if you want to read it anyway...It goes something like this: Fucking Republicans.
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quote: Americans won't be offended because they're used to political leaders who garble their messages.
But seriously, someone should find a streaming video version of his remarks. This whole thing is really absurd. In my opinion, in the actual interview, he was being rather careful not to step on any toes, and even if the "average" American watched the interview rather than a paraphrased version off their media, they would just shrug and walk away.
Poverty breeds extremism. Duh. The Western world is rich and arrogant. Duh. Welcome to the real world.
This is apparently it, though being on a computer without RealPlayer I can't verify that the interview in question is contained within. Canadian-politics-virgins, be warned: Chr�tien speaks neither "Canadian" nor "American" nor English, really.
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I think we have to separate September 11th from the Iraq issue. The vast majority of all people in the free world were with the USA and with Bush's policy towards the terrorists and the government that had given them shelter (well, maybe except for Chretien ). It was absolutely justified, and is confirmed by the success of the whole operation. But the connection between Iraq and terrorism is indirect at best. It's a whole different situation.
11 years ago, I was in favor of Desert Storm, as Hussein had taken Kuwait with force (with weapons delivered by many Western countries), was suppressing any opposition with brute force, had poisoned thousands of innocent people and was developing even more mass destruction weapons. But what did Bush's father do after they had retaken Kuwait and destroyed his infrastructure? He withdrew his forces because people in the US wanted the boys to come home. With Iraq's opposition slaughtered, the people of Iraq starving and a certain moral victory on his side, Hussein is now stronger in his own country than ever, thanks to Bush Senior. But at the same time, he is not the threat by far for anyone than he was 11 years ago. A tiger without teeth. Many Americans may think "better attack late than never". But I say "don't cause all this pain and grief again"!
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quote:But at the same time, he is not the threat by far for anyone than he was 11 years ago. A tiger without teeth.
Although much of what you say is true, why do you believe this particular part?
Especially when his own former top weaponsmaker, and at least one of his former generals, have said otherwise?
What about those aluminum centrifuge parts that were intercepted being smuggled into Iraq? They have only one purpose - to enrich uranium for nukemaking. Conventional wisdom tells us that more smuggled materials get by than get interdicted. If this is what we caught, what got past? Does this sound like a regime that has given up on producing nuclear weapons?
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i just watched that whole show.. it was a 20 minute retrospective fo what the top officials of Canada's gov't were doing on the morning 9-11-01, that cut off in the middle (is there a second part?) The PM doesnt have any sound bites except as a narrative of what he was doing that day, meeting with some farm-business-guy.
had that rarely seen bottom angle shot of the first hit though, as well as the closest shot of the second hit ive seen yet. after i had already not wanted to watch it again.
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i think it is pretty funny that anyone could blame the problems in the middle east with the divide between the wealthy and the poor "caused" by the "greed in the US (western world)". the sheikh's in saudia arabia and the nouveau riche in kuwait can share the wealth with their own poor countrymen anytime they want. and i say lets get saddam. anyone who thinks he's been spending his time sitting around being all nice and stopping being a threat to anyone is a damn fool.
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