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Veers
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From CNN

Passage of note:
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Sources told CNN said Plame is not an analyst, but a CIA operations officer. She was an active overseas undercover officer for many years and more recently has been working at a management level within the operations section of the CIA, the sources said.

This was also on NBC News today. Said Andrea Mitchell (as best I can remember): "Contrary to some reports, Wilson's wife is in fact an undrecover operative, working for the CIA's Directorate of Operations."

I suppose CNN and NBC could be part of some liberal conspiracy to discredit the president, though.

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Jay the Obscure
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Novak himself says nobody in the Bush adminstration contacted him.
To borrow from Jon Stewart, whaaaaa?

The White House went trolling for someone to leak this information too.

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Yesterday, a senior administration official said that before Novak's column ran, two top White House officials called at least six Washington journalists and disclosed the identity and occupation of Wilson's wife.

Mike Allen and Dana Priest, The Washington Post

Novak took the bait. And he even said he took the information from them.

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"I didn't dig it out, it was given to me," he said. "They thought it was significant, they gave me the name and I used it."
Now, as the old saying goes, he's trying to crawfish.

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Jason Abbadon
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quote:
Originally posted by Jay the Obscure:
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Yesterday, a senior administration official said that before Novak's column ran, two top White House officials called at least six Washington journalists and disclosed the identity and occupation of Wilson's wife.

Mike Allen and Dana Priest, The Washington Post

Novak took the bait. And he even said he took the information from them.


Well, there should be six counts on their inditments then, should'nt there?
Unless, of course, this is al part of the "Left Wing ConsparicyTM" to undo this noble administration....

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First of Two
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quote:
Originally posted by Veers:
From CNN

Passage of note:
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Sources told CNN said Plame is not an analyst, but a CIA operations officer. She was an active overseas undercover officer for many years and more recently has been working at a management level within the operations section of the CIA, the sources said.

This was also on NBC News today. Said Andrea Mitchell (as best I can remember): "Contrary to some reports, Wilson's wife is in fact an undrecover operative, working for the CIA's Directorate of Operations."

I suppose CNN and NBC could be part of some liberal conspiracy to discredit the president, though.

"Operations officer" does not equal "undercover operative."

Note the significant "was" and "more recently"

As for NBC's comments: did Ms. Mitchell back that statement up with any quotes, and is your memory certain?

Listen, when Novak called the CIA to confirm his story, they could have said:

1.) No comment.
2.) We don't discuss agency personel.
3.) Where did you get this priviliged info? Releasing it puts the lives of our agents at risk and violates a federal law carrying a mandatory 10 year sentence.

Instead, they said "it wouldn't be a good idea" to publish Plame's name. Not very forceful, given the choices. In doing so they basically confirmed that she was an agency operative, solidifying the leak, not acting to stop it.

In other words, someone at CIA confirmed this unsubstantiated leak.

There's your person who should be strung up.

As for those who are seeking "independent counsel"...

I nominate Ken Starr. [Big Grin]

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Veers
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"Operations officer" does not equal "undercover operative."
It sure as hell sounds like something that should not be revealed.

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As for NBC's comments: did Ms. Mitchell back that statement up with any quotes, and is your memory certain?

That is very close to what she said. There were no quotes, however. But you can't dismiss it simply because of that.

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Instead, they said "it wouldn't be a good idea" to publish Plame's name. Not very forceful, given the choices. In doing so they basically confirmed that she was an agency operative, solidifying the leak, not acting to stop it.
So, "That wouldn't be a good idea" in Novak's mind means "Yes, she is a CIA operative. Please print it." Do you think that if the CIA said "no comment" he wouldn't have printed the article.

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In other words, someone at CIA confirmed this unsubstantiated leak.

There's your person who should be strung up.

No. Whoever confirmed it came from the Bush White House, not the CIA. Novak said "senior Bush administration officials" right there in his own article, but if he says that is not true, then what else he says can we believe?

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I'd just like to point out that Tenet is a senior Bush adminstration official, and that he also works in the CIA.

Ergo, "senior Bush administration officials" and "CIA sources" do not have to be separate things.

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A river in Egypt, anyone?

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Well, if you wanted me to admit something I believe the Bush Administration did WRONG, then breaking with tradition and leaving Clinton Administration officials in ANY top position, free to continue doing their damage, and actually trusting them to do what's right for their former enemy would HAVE to top the list.

Second would be letting Ted "blub" Kennedy write the Education Bill.

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Veers
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A river in Egypt, anyone?

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Jay the Obscure
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Stange length of time between dyspeptic posts.

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Lee
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Word-of-the-day toliet paper, anyone?

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quote:
Originally posted by Jay the Obscure:
Stange length of time between dyspeptic posts.

Not at all. In another Thread, Lee was asking if I couldn't just admit that there were some things that the Bush administration did that I couldn't bring myself to agree with, that I believed were flat-out WRONG.

That reminded me of this thread, and I felt that replying to it would be the best way of proving that I DID have some disagreements with some Bush policies.

Just not the ones he wants me to.

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Funky, its like a shootdodge in real life. Except you know, without the shooting or the coolness. I should stop playing Max Payne 2.
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Maybe Bush did'nt leave enough Clintonistas' in there! Bubba's folks were masters of the leak and cover-up.
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18 days isn't bad.... I guess. He could have bumped one from this date last year....

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