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I've just read in our local newspaper that GWB and Tony Blair are nominated for this year's Nobel Prize for Peace!!!!
WTF, I thought April Fool's Day was in April!?
If they ARE serious, then who will be nominated next year? Saddam Hussein? Osama bin Laden?
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Exactly: if Arafat can get the award and Mandella can get the award despite his wife's "football club" then it means about half as much as the current state of "knighthood".
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Regardless of your opinions on whether the war was justified, can you really argue that the world is not a better place overall without Sadaam Hussein in power?
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You're saying that it doesn't matter that the whole reason for the war in the first place could very well be complete tosh, because Hussein was caught?
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That would be like giving Harry Truman the Peace Prize for ordering the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Sure, it ended the war... but what did it start?
I pray that this is some kind of twisted joke.
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Soooo the projected U.S. casualties for Operation Coronet of 750,000 men plus in the initial week vs. demonstrating to an enemy willing to fight to the death that they could be wiped out without a fight was a BAD thing? Remember, Russia had already gotten their hands on a good portion of our atomic tech not to mention their newly recruited German scientists. Hitler had only been perhaps a year away from his own nukes to go with his ballistic missle (V2). Saying we started the atomic race is at best INACCURATE.
Which would you order? The deaths of 200,000 enemies or 3/4 of a million of your own men?
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Weeelll...it varies a bit: if they dropped the A-Bomb on toyko it would have been abetter military target but the odds of the plane being shot down would skyrocket. And you wouldnt want the Japanese of WWII having the bomb.
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Oh goodie. A thread about whether Horishima and Nagasaki being blown up was a good thing or not. That never gets old.
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I think we can all agree it wasnt a good thing for the residents of those cities.
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quote:Originally posted by WizArtist: Which would you order? The deaths of 200,000 enemies or 3/4 of a million of your own men?
Well, that's not the real choice.
The best wartime estimate for the number of casualties for the entire campaign to end the war (including invasions of both Kyushu in fall 1945 and Honshu in early 1946 and the capture of Tokyo) was 370,000, including 290,000 wounded and 80,000 dead (These figures are from Dunnigans and Nofi's book "Victory at Sea"). The oft-quoted figure of "1 million dead" is a pure myth that started appearing after the war, mostly in an attempt to justify the atomic bombings. Japanese casualties, both civilian and military, would probably have been several times higher than US casualties (and certainly much higher than the actual casualties in the two atomic bombings), if the Japanese had resisted the invasion until the end. I don't intend to argue for or against any war-ending strategy; I just don't want to see inaccurate numbers thrown about.
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"Regardless of your opinions on whether the war was justified, can you really argue that the world is not a better place overall without Sadaam Hussein in power?"
Well... yes. I mean, just how much of the world do you think has changed the slightest bit in the last nine months? Iraq itself is now, in many respects, better off. But that's about it. So, if you had said that almost 0.3% of the world (by area) is a better place, or that almost 0.4% of the world (by population) is a better place, I'd say you were likely right. At least for the moment.
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Maybe I should nuke Washington and carpet-bomb the rest of the USA with dirty bombs and other WMDs. Then I can get nominated as well.
Hey, if it worked for GWB and TB, then it should work for me as well.
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