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Originally posted by WizArtist II:
What would the situation be in Iraq if Bush I had continued on to Bagdad with all the little coalition behind him and taken Saddam out during Gulf War I? Would it have stopped 9/11?

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Originally posted by WizArtist II:
Great. So what is YOUR suggestions for how to deal with this?

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What do we do moving forward?

Impeach George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

Hold new elections.



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Once again the Bush Administration is worse than I had imagined, even though I thought I had already taken account of the fact that the Bush administration is invariably worse than I can imagine.
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You're just babbling incoherently.
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Originally posted by WizArtist II:
Great. So what you are saying is that this Mighty NEW Prez will cause an automatic ceasefire, immediately teleport all U.S. troops home, and ALL the factions of the Arab world will be content and play "Kiss & Makeup" with everyone. Thousands of years of warring will come to an end with a "huh, guess you are right", and we can all get together and sing the Smurf song.

BTW...since there was only ONE smurfette... was THAT why all the Smurfs were blue?

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Originally posted by Da_bang80:
Oh yes. Fusion power. I wonder when that will come around. Probably when the oil companies have squeezed ever last drop of it out of the planet.

Those poor dinosaurs must be rolling around in thier graves if they had the intelligence to understand what we were doing with thier remains.

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Ohhh! Good idea - start a religion that considers prehistoric flora and fauna 'sacred' and thus any petroleum product is a desecration and should be stopped! I'm sure then, someone would just start the 'order of the holy deuterium' and campaign against it's annhilation to produce energy in a fusion reaction! It's a wonder Sun-worshippers aren't up-in-arms over solar power!

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Originally posted by Da_bang80:
So it's better to just mind your own business and let them kill each other until there all gone. pretty hard to fight a war when there's no one left.

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Praise be to Allah who created the creation for his worship and commanded them to be just and permitted the wronged one to retaliate against the oppressor in kind. To proceed:

Peace be upon he who follows the guidance: People of America this talk of mine is for you and concerns the ideal way to prevent another Manhattan, and deals with the war and its
causes and results.

Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar of human life and
that free men do not forfeit their security, contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom.
If so, then let him explain to us why we don't strike for example � Sweden? And we know that
freedom-haters don't possess defiant spirits like those of the 19 � may Allah have mercy on
them.

No, we fight because we are free men who don't sleep under oppression. We want to restore
freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our nation. So shall we lay waste to yours.

No-one except a dumb thief plays with the security of others and then makes himself believe he will be secure. Whereas thinking people, when disaster strikes, make it their priority to
look for its causes, in order to prevent it happening again.

But I am amazed at you. Even though we are in the fourth year after the events of September 11th, Bush is still engaged in distortion, deception and hiding from you the real causes. And thus, the reasons are still there for a repeat of what occurred.

So I shall talk to you about the story behind those events and shall tell you truthfully
about the moments in which the decision was taken, for you to consider.

I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after
it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli
coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.

The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the
Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorized and displaced.

I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled
everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their
residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy.

The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless except for his screams.
Does the crocodile understand a conversation that doesn't include a weapon? And the whole world
saw and heard but it didn't respond.

In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my soul, but in the end they
produced an intense feeling of rejection of tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to
punish the oppressors.

And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish
the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste
some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.

And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the intentional killing of innocent
women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy,
while resistance is terrorism and intolerance.

This means the oppressing and embargoing to death of millions as Bush Sr. did in Iraq in the
greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has ever known, and it means the throwing of millions
of pounds of bombs and explosives at millions of children � also in Iraq � as Bush Jr. Did, in
order to remove an old agent and replace him with a new puppet to assist in the pilfering of Iraq's
oil and other outrages.

So with these images and their like as their background, the events of September 11th came as a
reply to those great wrongs, should a man be blamed for defending his sanctuary?

Is defending oneself and punishing the aggressor in kind, objectionable terrorism? If it is such,
then it is unavoidable for us.

This is the message which I sought to communicate to you in word and deed, repeatedly, for years
before September 11th.

And you can read this, if you wish, in my interview with Scott in Time Magazine in 1996, or with Peter Arnett on CNN in 1997, or my meeting with John Weiner in 1998.

You can observe it practically, if you wish, in Kenya and Tanzania and in Aden. And you can read
it in my interview with Abdul Bari Atwan, as well as my interviews with Robert Fisk.

The latter is one of your compatriots and co-religionists and I consider him to be neutral.
So are the pretenders of freedom at The White House and the channels controlled by them able
to run an interview with him? So that he may relay to the American people what he has understood
from us to be the reasons for our fight against you?

If you were to avoid these reasons, you will have taken the correct path that will lead America
to the security that it was in before September 11th. This concerned the causes of the war.

As for it's results, they have been, by the grace of Allah, positive and enormous, and have,
by all standards, exceeded all expectations. This is due to many factors, chief amongst them,
that we have found it difficult to deal with the Bush administration in light of the resemblance
it bears to the regimes in our countries, half of which are ruled by the military and the other
half which are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents.

Our experience with them is lengthy, and both types are replete with those who are characterized
by pride, arrogance, greed and misappropriation of wealth. This resemblance began after the visits
of Bush Sr. to the region.

At a time when some of our compatriots were dazzled by America and hoping that these visits would have an effect on our countries, all of a sudden he was affected by those monarchies and military regimes, and became envious of their remaining decades in their positions, to embezzle the public wealth of the nation without supervision or accounting.

So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they named it the Patriot Act, under the pretense of fighting terrorism. In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors, and didn't forget to import expertise in election fraud from the region's presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty.

All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All
that we have to do is to send two Mujahideen to the furthest point East to raise a piece of cloth
on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer
human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than
some benefits for their private companies.

This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition
to fight tyrannical superpowers, as we, alongside the Mujahideen, bled Russia for ten years, until
it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat.

All Praise is due to Allah.

So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing,
and nothing is too great for Allah.

That being said, those who say that al-Qaida has won against the administration in the White House
or that the administration has lost in this war have not been precise, because when one scrutinizes the results, one cannot say that al-Qaida is the sole factor in achieving those spectacular gains.

Rather, the policy of the White House that demands the opening of war fronts to keep busy their
various corporations � whether they be working in the field of arms or oil or reconstruction �
has helped al-Qaida to achieve these enormous results.

And so it has appeared to some analysts and diplomats that the White House and us are playing
as one team towards the economic goals of the United States, even if the intentions differ.

And it was to these sorts of notions and their like that the British diplomat and others were
referring in their lectures at the Royal Institute of International Affairs. (When they pointed
out that) for example, al-Qaida spent $500 000 on the event, while America, in the incident and
its aftermath, lost � according to the lowest estimate � more than 500 billion dollars.

Meaning that every dollar of al-Qaida defeated a million dollars by the permission of Allah,
besides the loss of a huge number of jobs.

As for the size of the economic deficit, it has reached record astronomical numbers estimated to
total more than a trillion dollars.

And even more dangerous and bitter for America is that the Mujahideen recently forced Bush to resort
to emergency funds to continue the fight in Afghanistan and Iraq, which is evidence of the success of the blee-until-bankruptcy plan � with Allah's permission.

It is true that this shows that al-Qaida has gained, but on the other hand, it shows that the Bush administration has also gained, something of which anyone who looks at the size of the contracts acquired by the shady Bush administration-linked mega-corporations, like Haliburton and its kind, will be convinced. And it all shows that the real loser is...you.

It is the American people and their economy. And for the record, we had agreed with the Commander-General Muhammad Ataa, Allah have mercy on him, that all the operations should be carried out within twenty minutes, before Bush and his administration notice.

It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would abandon 50 000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face those great horrors alone, the time when they most needed him.

But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than occupying himself with the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers. We were given three times the period required to execute the operations � All Praise is Due to Allah.

And it's no secret to you that the thinkers and perceptive ones from among the Americans warned Bush before the war and told him, "All that you want for securing America and removing the weapons of mass destruction � assuming they exist � is available to you, and the nations of the world are with you in the inspections, and it is in the interest of America that it not be thrust into an unjustified war with an unknown outcome."

But the darkness of the black gold blurred his vision and insight, and he gave priority to private interests over the public interests of America.

So the war went ahead, the death toll rose, the American economy bled, and Bush became embroiled in the swamps of Iraq that threaten his future. He fits the saying, "Like the naughty she-goat who used her hoof to dig up a knife from under the earth".

So I say to you, over 15 000 of our people have been killed and tens of thousands injured, while more than a thousand of you have been killed and more than 10 000 injured. And Bush's hands are stained with the blood of all those killed from both sides, all for the sake of oil and keeping their private companies in business.

Be aware that it is the nation who punishes the weak man when he causes the killing of one of its citizens for money, while letting the powerful one get off, when he causes the killing of more than 1000 of its sons, also for money.

And the same goes for your allies in Palestine. They terrorize the women and children, and kill and capture the men as they lie sleeping with their families on the mattresses, that you may recall that for every action, there is a reaction.

Finally, it behooves you to reflect on the last wills and testaments of the thousands who left you on the 11th as they gestured in despair. They are important testaments, which should be studied and researched.

Among the most important of what I read in them was some prose in their gestures before the collapse, where they say, "How mistaken we were to have allowed the White House to implement its aggressive foreign policies against the weak without supervision." It is as if they were telling you, the people of America, "Hold to account those who have caused us to be killed, and happy is he who learns from others' mistakes." And among that which I read in their gestures is a verse of poetry, "Injustice chases its people, and how unhealthy the bed of tyranny."

As has been said, "An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure."

And know that, "It is better to return to the truth than persist in error." And that the wise man doesn't squander his security, wealth and children for the sake of the liar in the White House.

In conclusion, I tell you in truth, that your security is not in the hands of Kerry, nor Bush, nor al-Qaida.
No.

Your security is in your own hands. And every state that doesn't play with our security has automatically guaranteed its own security.

And Allah is our Guardian and Helper, while you have no Guardian or Helper. All Peace be Upon he who follows the Guidance.

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