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First of Two
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Bryce: You'll notice that many, if not most, of the revolutions that have happened in Islamic countries recently have been those run by Islamic Fundamentalists: Re: Iran, Afghanistan, Algeria, The Sudan, and Egypt (the terrorist attacks, in any case).

These would be clear attempts by the religion to choose the government, would it not? Democracy is the anomaly, not the status quo.

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Curry Monster
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Agreed. Religion like anything else is a tool. Which has been misused. If the concept of God had not occured to humanity, there would have been another vehicle to propel the same people to power.

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bryce
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We are looking at this from two different angles, that's all.

My orginal meaning (a few days back) was that the Roman Empire made Christianity its religion. Christianity did not choose the Empire. The same thing happens today when a general takes an island and announces everyone has to worship whoever he wants.

I understand your view; you see the religion as using the general to take the island. I see it as the rulers want the people to worship who they want.

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First of Two
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The difference is in the rulers de jure (legally) versus the rulers de facto (in reality).

For instance, the rulers of the US, de jure, are the people, through the government.

The rulers de facto, however, are large corporations and political action committees. Most people know this, but very few want to believe it.

The rulers de jure in the middle ages were the kings and nobles. The rulers de facto, however, were the priest class and the Church.

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bryce
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Yes, but that is after the fact.

History clearly shows the the Roman Emperor chose Christianity as the state religion after his conversion. Most people will tell you that the Roman state corrupted Christianity, and there are examples that support this.
1) The Pope was given lands from the emporer to govern. 2) Pope Leo X is considered to have been an aetheist. He supported the Ren. heavily (and if I remember right) published "The Prince", the political science work (it does not come from a Christian pt. of view).

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Sol System
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I'm hoping to be mistaken here in thinking that "Ren." is meant to stand for the Renaissance.

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Every one is isulted or bullied, one time or another. Just get over it.


Humanity is composed mainly of idiots, and the lucky few who are able think for our selves must endure them. Eventualy they will just de-evolve to primates, while the rest of us will asccend into a state of pure thought.

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First of Two
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have you been hanging out at anti-social.com, or what?

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bryce
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No your right, I just didn't want to spell it all.

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Sol System
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See, I was afraid of that. Are you implying then that the Renaissance was a horrible, wicked, and sinful affair, then? "Oh my God, they've invented perspective! To the rack with them!"

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