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I see a red door and I want it painted black

Well, the ballot part. Are you aware it is illegal in Florida election law to have the voting-hole-thingy-whatever-it-is-called on the right side of the candidate's name? And yet ...

The box of crayons -- well, people find a ballot box -- what do you expect? Now that people know it was filled was crayons, it's a non-issue.

And so far, we *still* don't know why the NAACP is up in arms.

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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Sol System is about as much my watchword as are two naked purple telephones mating to the sexy tunes of Kathy Lee Gifford. How 'bout them watchwords, now, Mr. Sol?

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Liberals never cease to amaze me. Someone trumps up charges that Bush is dumb, and you believe it. Someone says Cheney is in poor health, and you believe it. Gore HIMSELF lies through his teeth, and you refuse to believe it. I'd love to hear your opinion on Lieberman's being excommunicated and flopping on all his views.

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Omega: You seem to be confusing me with:

A) Being a "liberal"

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B) Someone who gives a damn about American politics in general.

See, for 'A', I know not of which a liberal is. Unless you mean the Canadian political party. Of which Jean Chretien is the leader. I'd bet you wouldn't know anything about Canadian politics, and nor do you care. Like I don't about you Yankees.

You can use your standard "Oh, liberal" attack until your skin has melted off your face, and your pants have split due to the effort expended trying to call people Liberals, (Of course, provided you wear pants. I'm told they don't do much of that in Tennesee. Yee haw.) and it won't matter to me. It doesn't hurt my feeling and make me go home and cry to my Mother and suckle her teet, as it presumably does to you and your hyperconservative ilk.

GO MOTHERFUCKING NATURAL LAW PARTY. FOR CHRIST SAKES, MAN.

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Communism. The most socialist of all the 'ism's. It's in you to vote.

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I see a red door and I want it painted black

Electorial College count is what matters...and in the winner take all system we have, that is why when the election is as close as it is in Florida, then every vote counts.

The perviously mentioned Amendment, number 12, does not specify the number of ballots that the House may take before reaching the final one. Therefore, they can take all the time that they want from "whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them" to March 4 to make up their minds.

If they do, then there is going to be a real Constitutional pickle. Because Amendment XX reads:

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Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January

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Therefore, if there is no decison by the House after noon on the 20th of January, then there will be no Vice President in office to take over the duty of President.

And Amendment 12 - Choosing the President, Vice- President (which was Ratified 6/15/1804, when as I recall the President and Vice President were elected on different ballots...therefore the President and Vice President could be from different political parties.) goes on to read

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The person having the greatest number of votes [fomr the Electorial College] as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President...

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Now, it gets really interesting.

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if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President;

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Same process as the President, but no end time for a vote established.

On the occasion of a post 20th of January decision by the House since neither he nor Bush have won anything until the House and Senate have decided. Moreover, neither has Gore the ability to move to the position to be President due to the fact that his term ended at 12:01 on the 20th.

And the last I read, there was just about a 50/50 split in the Senate with one seat not settled.

I can't imagine that today, as the VP and the POTUS are tied together by party and tradition, that there would be a vote for the VP before the POTUS.

I should think that all the political rangling, were it to go so far, would be all done in the Congress before the 20th of January.

That all depends on what the chances of their getting caught are, and the possible consequences. Of course, it's always possible for either side to get someone to do it so it'd be untracable to the campaign, but we'd know which side they were changing it towards, so that'd destroy the political future of that cantidate.

JK1:

"Are you aware it is illegal in Florida election law to have the voting-hole-thingy-whatever-it-is-called on the right side of the candidate's name?"

UM:

"Of course, provided you wear pants. I'm told they don't do much of that in Tennesee. Yee haw."

You seem to think you know a lot about the US, our politics, and even specific states. Listen to me very carefully: you don't. I don't know a thing about how people operate up north, nor do I particularly care, just like you toward us. The thing is, I don't pretend I do know.

But just to disspell whatever myths you've been fed: Bush is quite intelligent, and Cheney is in excellent health.

Ritten2:

Not uptight. Just frustrated.

Florida Code, Title IX, Chapter 101.011, Section 2:

"No paper ballot shall be voided or declared invalid in any election within the state by reason of the fact that the ballot is marked other than with an "X," so long as there is a clear indication thereon to the election officials that the person marking such ballot has made a definite choice, and provided further, that the mark placed on the ballot with respect to any candidate by any such voter shall be located in the blank space on the ballot opposite such candidate's name."

The "butterfly ballot" fits these requirements.

And while I'm at it, the "multiple vote" voters...

Section 4, Clause 1:

"If the elector marks more names than there are persons to be elected to an office, or if it is impossible to determine the elector's choice, his or her ballot shall not be counted for the office;"

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In fact, CNN reported that several million votes in several states, including Iowa, New York, California, Oregon, and Alaska have not been counted yet, which is more than enough to potentially take even the POPULAR vote, meaningless though it is, away from Gore and give it to Bush.

As I partly said in another thread... The host of FOX's national news had a seven-year-old kid. They gave the 'disputed' florida ballot to said kid, and told him to pick out Gore's spot. He did. IMMEDIATELY. They then gave it to 100 people on the street. 99 of them got it right. The other 1 was kinda dumb to begin with. The ballot is NOT confusing.

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A guy in Franklin, TN, gave his mentally handicapped twelve-year-old a copy of the ballot, and told him to vote for Gore. The kid asked no questions, he just voted for Gore. They did the same thing with Buchannan.

The ballot was not confusing. Period.

So 1% of people could get it wrong. Would someone like to tell me what 1% of the US population is? Hell, what's 1% of the Florida population? And what's the difference in votes?

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Communism. Who wouldn't like their neighbour thrown into a goulag?

Exactly what evidence do we have that these people actually did intend to vote for Gore, actually did vote for Buchanan mistakenly, and are not, in fact, regretful Nader voters? It's equally plausable, don't you think?