Muwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Yes, let me say that most liberals (including myself) are not very happy about what is going on regarding the Florida elections ... grrr ... (I'm voting Nader in '04)

And, now I'm off to Connecticut. Laters!

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Star Trek Gamma Quadrant
Rated 7 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux

I don't believe in false modesty. It ain't arrogance if you can really do it.

But perhaps I should clarify what I was talking about, specifically. As I've said before, most democrats are simply (un/mis)informed. My cousin, for instance, supported Gore, simply because she didn't like Bush. Why didn't she like Bush? Well, because he's going to outlaw abortion! Just one problem: he's going to do no such thing. Uninformed democrat. Or for another example, whoever it was here that was talking about how horrible the eighties were, because the disparity between rich and poor increased. He/She wasn't aware that the actual NUMBERS of poor dropped dramatically. The majority of people who vote democrat do so because they simply don't know any better.

What these descriptions refer to are ACTIVIST democrats. People like Hillary Clinton, and Al Gore, and all the Democrats in the state congress in my state. People who actually BELIEVE this crap. THESE are the dangerous ones, because they honestly think they're doing the right thing with all they do to get elected. How else do you explain all the lies the DNC tells in commercials in attepmts to gain power? How else do you explain the fear-mongering, and divisive tactics? The attempts to keep the populace ignorant? The will to break the law whenever convenient?

These people actually think that the country isn't going to survive without their philosophy, and thus they're willing to do whatever it takes to get elected. With B. Clinton, it was personal power and women (he actually said that the best part of being governor was the chicks). With H. Clinton and Algore, they honestly believe they're doing the right thing, which is probably the nicest thing I'll ever say about them.

It's a theory, and it explains the facts. Anyone got a hole in it, or a better theory? 'Cause I'd love not to have to think this about the DNP. I simply don't see that I have much choice.

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Some liberals disregard the rule of law but not all of them, and certainly not a majority

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Many of them (conservatives) do respect the rule of law, but there are also very corrupt conservatives too

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See? That's almost EXACTLY THE SAME SENTENCE! BUT in a very weighted way - "liberals break the law" leads to hurried qualification that not ALL do, while "conservatives obey the law" is followed by a grudging admission that not all do.

As for the Omega Molecule...

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The majority of people who vote Democrat do so because they simply don't know any better

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But of course all Republicans do. From Coast to Coast, ask any GOP'er and he/she/it'll be able to argue politics in a way that puts Omygod to shame!

He then goes on to slam Democrat politicos because they believe in what they do. Are you demonstrating double standards (Republicans also believe in what they do, but that's different)? Or are you saying Republicans are best because they DON'T really believe in what they do?

(If the latter, I'd day you need some new party nicknames - how about Fanatics versus Cynics?)

If you extrapolate that reasoning, you come to the conclusion that people can't be trusted with democratic power, and that other parties shouldn't be necessary because all they do is confuse people. Boom, one-party state. But of course Republicans wouldn't do that, they're in the business of (to use a Thatcherite term) rolling back the power of the state. And Nixon wasn't trying to subvert the democratic process at all.

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"I do prefer the arse, but you can't dismiss the leg. They're joined at the hip, so to speak."

Did I say that? I don't think so. There may be a lot of uninformed Republicans out there, and they do annoy me. It's kinda like going to church because your parents always took you. But the thing is that no one that votes is completely uninformed. They all have some sort of reasoning behind it. With the !I (that's uninformed, for those of you who don't code) dems, what little information they have is based on info supplied by, say, a DNC commercial, which we all know are full of lies. Witness "wither on the vine". But with the !I GOPs, what little they know is at least based on the truth. There's no excuse for being uninformed, but at least the uninformed Reps are getting in right.

"He then goes on to slam Democrat politicos because they believe in what they do."

Weeellll, considering what they do is disregard the law whenever convenient, lie to people, divide the populace, etc., I'd say they SHOULD be slammed for doing what they do, wouldn't you? Believing it's right, and that the ends justify the means, just makes it worse.

"Or are you saying Republicans are best because they DON'T really believe in what they do?"

No, I'm saying that the GOP is the better party because of what they do, not because of whether they believe it or not.

We all know how the democrats act. My extrapolation of their beliefs is simply an explaination of WHY.

There is nothing more dangerous than a well-intentioned man who believes that he's doing the right thing.

As for who's informed, and who isn't.
I admit freely, when I was a Democrat, I was uninformed. I joined at 18 because it SOUNDED good, and I thought it was pretty much expected of me, as a young person.

Then I started working, gaining real-world experience, and paying attention to the real world, and interacting with knowledgeable people, and accumulating data.
At 29, I'm now, by most standards, possibly one of the most well-informed people on here, by virtue of my job, information access and retreival, etc. I have access to varied sources on current events, politics, science, sociology, psychology, religion, et cetera. This is no brag, it is simply a fact, that I think most of you folks could agree with without too much difficulty (at least I would hope so). And as a consequence, of all this onformation, my viewpoints have changed.

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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master

As a point of interest, most of Omega's arguments (about people believing one thing because they aren't informed, or because they swallow lies) can be thrown right back at him over his views on, say, how old the Earth is.

There would be a difference there though (scientific laws vs a more subjective opinion of what you want from a government), but it's shows your stance on everything Omega. You believe something, and anyone else who believe something else is wrong, because (obviously) they haven't read enough, or they believe the "wrong" things.

Where would you place me? I vote an independent ticket, in that I vote for both Reps and Dems. Am I half informed? Half blind to the truth? Or do you think that maybe I view the entire spectrum and vote for the person best suited for an office?

Just think, in 10 years you may be the mirror image of First........

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Liberalism and conservativism are idealogical mindsets- Republican and Democrat are just party names.

um....oh *sheepish look*
That didn't sound very lady-like did it?

*ahem*

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Hunt: "You cheated!"
Rhade: "It's only cheating if you get caught."
-Andromeda, "Double Helix"

Now, I'm just simple minded because I disagree with the conservatives.

I'll tell you briefly where my progressivism comes from. I belive strongly that the person, the human being that we are and the other species that inhabit the earth along with us come before private, and generally selfish, personal monetary gain.

I believe that conservatism tends toward exclusion of people who do not belong to its "club." I do not see conservatism as inclusive, rather I see it as one of the main reasons behind social and cultural stratification.

I disagree with much of the agenda of the right as it moves to strenghten their percieved moral hegemony in the United States.

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Oh, yes, sitting. The great leveler. From the mightiest Pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?
~C. Montgomery Burns

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Star Trek Gamma Quadrant
Rated 7 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux

Omega, aren't you doing the same thing your accusing Dems, ACTIVIST Dems, of. You feel that everything you spout and stand for is the best for everybody????

So, you, by your own definition, are an ACTIVIST Republican. Correct? Or do you not feel that your way is the best way for everybody.

If you do not feel that your way is the right way for everybody, then why do you spout so much???

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