Topic: Bush's "Faith" based plan ... Unconstitutional?
Saiyanman Benjita
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"We gave you that money to spend on the soup kitchen, not to re-upholster your pews." "Yeah, but we put the money you gave us into the soup kitchens and took the money we were spending on the soup kitchens for this!" "Doesn't work that way, buddy."
How can they possibly avoid that happening?
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Simple. They have to demonstrate that the extra cash is needed, ie for what & where, and prove that it was spent as such. If the extra funding, which could also be seen as an investment, leads to saving money in the long term, then fine - just don't go asking for exactly the same handout next time round.
Of course, that also means that by helping them save money in the long term you're enabling them to spend the savings on religious purposes, but does that mean any initial handout shouldn't be given on the offchance it has this result?
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I heard an interesting suggestion that I like somewhat more than this. What if, for every dollar that a person donates to whatever charity, they get a $1 tax credit? Might that work a little better?
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What if someone donates more money to charity than they would otherwise pay in taxes. Do they get a check from the Government? While some sort of tax credit might not be a bad idea for charity donations, I don't think a 1:1 ratio is a very good idea for it.
"Wow! People donated 50 million to charities this year more than last year! People are really generous!"
"Nah, they're just getting tax credits."
Also, what charities get credited? It also seems a fairly easy way to launder money, or rip the government off. "Hey, I founded my own charity, so I'm going to donate $10 million to myself, get $10 million back from the government, and I'll have $20 million! Woooohooo!"
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Limits to it would of course be needed. If a person gorsses $45,000.00 a year and turns in anything more that $4,500.00 then they need to be called on it. 10% is a good maximum amount.
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Yeah, a cap would be good. You can donate up to x% of your earnings to charities with government tax credit.
Ooooh! Brainstorm! What if the Gov't collected the money and distributed it fairly to the different charities? It would ensure fairness to the charities involved, and although I'm sure a lot of Republicans would argue about too much government control, you'd still get the charity tax credit, and Democrats would be appeased because it would make sure they would be little (or no) misappropriation of funds, or unfair bias to certain charities.
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Yes and no, if I were, say a white Christian fundie/klansmen I would not want my money to go to the black baptist church. I would want to make sure that the money went only to fellow kkk churches. On the yes side, for those of us not that unwise, it is a good idea, to help ensure fairness. Another question is, the churches in Beverly Hills and associated richer neibhorhoods, what kind of 'local' out reach programs can they do? While the inner city slum chruches will have a bigger group to work with. What kind of scale should be used to work out this??
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If the government simply allotes the money to the various charities, I don't think there would (or could) be any say on where (in the US, or abroad) it could or would be spent.
Now, if the money deducted was specificly funded through the gov't towards grassroots organizations (soup kitchens, homeless shelters, etc.), the money could be sent to the various states, where those states could determine the best way for the money to be spent (within certain guidelines)
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