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Don't Give Teens Alcohol -- Period!

By Barbara Cooke

Mike and Molly throw the best keg parties in town. The beer flows as burly varsity football players collect car keys at the door. Teens mill around, shouting over the pounding music, hugging and "high-fiving" the couple. Mike and Molly are so popular they could have been voted Prom King and Queen.

The problem is, Mike and Molly graduated from high school 25 years ago, and this is their son's graduation party. And the family is planning a few more beer bashes during the summer.

"Some parents see drinking as a sign of an adulthood. 'Now that you're graduating, you're an adult.' But the kids are STILL under 21," stresses Richard Yoast, director of the American Medical Association's office of Alcohol and Other Drug Abuse. "Some parents seek the approval of their teens and want to be looked up to. It astounds me that they think that as long as they are serving the alcohol, they can control their kids' and other kids' actions."

Carleton Kendrick, a Boston area family therapist explains, "These parents think they should be nominated for 'Parents of the Year.' They regard themselves as enlightened crusaders for their teens. They walk the walk and talk the talk. They're so desperate to be considered cool by their kids that they believe the law doesn't apply to them. They think they're wiser and better than the parents who won't provide alcohol."

When you add drinking to natural teenage curiosity and pleasure-seeking, the results can range from throwing up all over someone's carpet and saying something regrettable, to lowered self-esteem of a girl who had sex with several guys at a party, or to tragedies like diving into a shallow pond, or fighting and injuring or killing someone, Kendrick notes. "These parents know that kids are going to drink, but they've decided to be the responsible ones and supervise their drinking. Why not pass out condoms and foam and say, 'You're going to do this anyway so why not here? Go have some safe sex and have fun.'"

Interestingly, the mixed messages that parents send when they "bargain" with teens and allow them to drink at home may be to blame for excessive teen drinking. A 1993 study of 15,000 students by the Minnesota-based Johnson Institute, which fights alcohol use at school and work, showed that permissiveness at home affects adolescent choices more than peer pressure. This permissiveness often sends the message that fun revolves around a can of beer.

It comes as a shock to many parents that there are parents who feel they can be "buddies" with their teens if they let them drink. George Lesmes, an Evanston, Ill. resident and father of four teenagers, was amazed to discover that some parents serve kids alcohol. "Alcohol for teens is zero tolerance in our house," he says. "It's totally inappropriate. And our kids all know that they do not have our permission to drink at anyone's house."

"It's pretty pathetic if parents rely on their teen's definition of fun," says Leslie Cornis, a database account manager from Chicago, Ill. "Of course I liked to drink in high school and thought is was really cool when certain parents let us drink at their house." But now, at age 28, an older and wiser Cornis says, "I knew back then it was wrong. When I have kids, I won't appreciate it when other parents serve alcohol."

Your teen may whine, "You're the ONLY parent who won't let their kids drink when they're seniors." But the Princeton, New Jersey-based Robert Wood Johnson Foundation commissioned a study in 1998 and found that 96 percent of Americans view underage drinking as a significant problem and support measures that would reduce teen drinking. The study also showed that 83 percent of respondents favored punishment of adult providers.

Debby Hutter, a Wilmette, Ill. mother of four adolescents, says, "I feel like I would be ostracized if I said my daughters couldn't go to a prom or graduation party because there was drinking going on. My daughters say to me, 'Mom, you just don't get it.' But I don't get how parents -- even if they take away the car keys -- can justify serving 16-, 17- and 18-year-olds beer. Kids make bad choices, but what can you do when parents facilitate those choices?"

Parent-sponsored drinkfests make it harder for the kids who don't drink and parents who wont let their kids drink, says Kendrick. "It's almost an inherent challenge that these parents lay down by saying, 'I'm sponsoring this because I think your teen is mature enough to drink responsibly.' A teen who doesn't drink or whose parents say it's wrong thinks, 'What's wrong with me? Am I the only one who feels this way?' But there is a huge difference between kids experimenting with alcohol and kids drinking with adult approval."

Courtney Michna, 18, a high school senior, says, "Some kids don't want to drink. They want an out and their parents provide a good excuse If kids say 'Want some?' and they say, 'No, my parents will kill me,' most kids say, 'OK, that's cool, there's more for me!' But if parents are saying 'Go ahead, it's perfectly fine to drink,' then what out do they have?"

Making it safe for kids to drink is a contradiction of terms, according to Shepherd Smith, president of the Washington, DC-based Institute for Youth Development. "We have laws regulating use by age because of the lack of physical maturity and psychological maturity. We've learned that people under the age of 21 have dramatically impaired judgement."

Jerry Elsner, executive director of the Illinois State Crime Commission asserts, "Adolescent males get a few drinks in them and soon they drop every barrier to civilized behavior. The more drinks they consume, the quicker they degenerate into base instincts. When you provide the beer, and those hormones are running wild, you have only yourself to blame!"

Louis Kraus, division head of child and adolescent psychiatry at Evanston Hospital in Evanston, Ill., recalls parents defending their actions with, "'They're going to college in a few months and they'll do what they want and I can't stop them, so why should I try now?' They forget that 70 to 80 percent of first time sexual encounters occur when kids are under the influence. They're also less likely to use a condom, because their decision making is totally impaired. Just one night and they can carry away an infection that lasts a lifetime."

The University of Minnesota's School of Public Health found that teens whose parents or friends' parents provided alcohol for parties were more likely to drink, get into traffic crashes, get involved in violence and participate in thefts. Robert Wood Johnson vice president Nancy Kaufman states, "Underage drinking is a factor in nearly half of all teen automobile crashes. It also contributes to suicides, homicides and fatal injuries, and is a factor in sexual assaults and date rapes." And Mothers Against Drunk Driving surveys estimate that when parents "bargain" with their kids and let them drink as long as they promise not to drive, teens are more likely to drive after drinking or be in a car with someone who is drinking.

Drinking can be fatal even without getting into a car with a driver who has been consuming alcohol. Atlanta-based National Family Partnership spokesperson Milton Creagh reminds parents that too many drinks ingested either accidently or intentionally can result in alcohol poisoning, which can result in death. "Alcohol is a drug that numbs the brain. If too much is used, it paralyzes the nerve center in the brain and puts the brain to sleep. When the brain slows down, so does the respiratory system," says Creagh. "When the lungs and heart stop sending oxygen to the brain, breathing stops. Are you going to monitor every teen at your party to make sure there's no binge drinking going on?"

A study done recently at The University of Michigan, reveals that 82 percent of 12th graders admitted drinking during the past year, and the Centers for Disease Control reports that 32 percent of high schoolers are binge-drinkers. Yet a poll conducted by the group Drug Strategies showed that only three percent of parents thought their teens had indulged in binge-drinking in the past month.

In 1997, a 16-year-old Orland Park, Ill. girl won an $80 bet by chugging a quart of 107-proof alcohol at a party. The Sandburg High School sophomore had been drinking with her best friend for six hours before they returned to her friend's house at 2 a.m. and fell asleep on the bed. They found her dead the next day. Her blood alcohol level was .381.

Smith urges parents to rethink just what "responsible drinking" is for someone under the age of 18. "Parents think they did it, so their kids can do it too. After all, parents don't want to say what they did as teens was all wrong."

What to do if you find out that your teen is going to a party where parents are serving alcohol? "You can say, 'You can't go,' or you can call the parents and remind them in a non-confrontational way that when neighbors call the police and their children are arrested, it's embarrassing and legally costly to parents," says Smith. "When police come to break up a party, everyone is arrested, even those who are not drinking. Some parents even call the police and ask them to call the parents and remind them what the consequences could be."

Adults who serve alcohol are playing economic Russian Roulette, Creagh says. "I say to them, 'If you can't dig deep and find the moral backbone to refuse to serve alcohol to your teenagers and their friends, then at least look at the legal ramifications that could cost you all your money. Maybe that will pound some sense into your head.'"

"Parents are supposed to have arrived at maturity, while kids are supposed to be passing through adolescence on the way to adulthood. You can empathize, but you don't have to join your teen," Kendrick says. "They need you to point them in the right direction and keep them safe. You're supposed to give them wisdom, not a keg party in the basement."

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Well holy crap...

Something we agree on.

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Just one more reason certain people shouldn't be allowed to reproduce...
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Gee, might binge drinking be remotely connected to the fact it's illegal and therefore cool?

The entire idea that once someone has been on this planet for 7670 days they can suddenly handle alcohol responsibly is ridiculous. Some people are fine and responsible with it at 17, some people aren't at 40.

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If someone drinks at all at seventeen, they're being irresponsible. It's unhealthy.
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Proof?
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No pun intended?

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If someone drinks at all at seventeen, they're being irresponsible. It's unhealthy.

Drinking is unhealthy full stop. The fact that it just makes you vomit and get hungover should clue people into that.

I agree with The_Tom's point about the results of alcohol use being dependent on the individual, and not just the age. Unfortunately the line has to be drawn somewhere, and the law can't really use anything other than age to draw that line, as far as I can see.

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Well, it's even more unhealthy w/ an immature liver. Simply ingesting alcohol isn't unhealthy in and of itself, if the liver can process it. It's drinking too much of it that becomes unhealthy. And, the less mature the liver, the lower the level that qualifies as "too much".
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Well, the liver's ability to process alcohol depends largely on the amount of exposure to it in the past rather than simple age (IIRC, no organs except for the reproductive ones change their operations much by the teenage years).

Yes, a two-year old's liver is probably going to be screwed up permanently if he puts back a 40. But there aren't any physiological reasons a first-time drinker at age 17 will have a more unhealthy time than a first-time drinker at age 22. Might there be maturity differences that would govern how one would behave when drinking? Probably. But so long as a few sober people with their heads screwed on correctly are around I can't see this being much of an issue. Like I said, it's the illegality that drives underagers to binge drink when the parents aren't home. That's where the real problems come about.

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Why waste the sober people's time? Just tie the drunkards down and let them do what they want, so long as they can't go anywhere...
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Arguing with Americans about alcohol is like trying to argue with Omega about, well, anything. But a couple of things stuck out.

"Why not pass out condoms and foam and say, 'You're going to do this anyway so why not here? Go have some safe sex and have fun.'"

Apart from being one of the worst comparisons ever (yes, apparently parents allowing kids to drink is like giving them contraceptives), it's, well, stupid on so many levels. And parents giving their 17+ children condoms is not a bad idea at all. It saves them the embarrasment of having to buy them at the shop.

"We've learned that people under the age of 21 have dramatically impaired judgement."

Yes. Apparently the US is the only country that's learned this. Cripes, I remember when I was 18. I used to just jump in front of cars.

"Adolescent males get a few drinks in them and soon they drop every barrier to civilized behavior. The more drinks they consume, the quicker they degenerate into base instincts. When you provide the beer, and those hormones are running wild, you have only yourself to blame!"

Heaven forbid 18 year olds should have sex. Or perhaps he means that when people drink, they walk around going "ug ug", and become terrified of fire? (That Buffy episode has a lot to answer for).

"If someone drinks at all at seventeen, they're being irresponsible. It's unhealthy."

Which is why Tim only lives off fresh organic fruit and veg, and runs a mile every other day.

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When did I claim to be responsible?
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Hello, my name is as you can see is Buddy, but not in real life.

I have four great daughters, and I have informed them that if they want to drink, then I will go out and buy it for them. But they have to be in a controlled setting. There will be NO running the roads. And if their friends want to drink then their parents has to call me and let me know it is OK with them.

I want to know if they are drinking that it is not in the back seat of a car or some where that they should not be. This has worked out for my wife and I thru all these years. Our girls are now 28, 26, 24, and 17. This is how we taught our girl safe drinking if you call it that....Thanks


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Tim: You said that people who drank were being stupid, because they were being irresponsible. You've now admitted to being irresponsible. Your argument = poo.

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