Just now, on Crossfire, Sen. Kit Bond said "yes" to a question regarding the high probability of being forced to dip into the Medicare trust fund.

If there's no trustfund, why didn't he say "how can we dip into that which doesn't exist?"

So:

Omega says: no trustfund.

Kit Bond says: trustfund.

"All of Omega's 'conversations' follow the same paths:
"a) He calls me an idiot
"b) He says he'd rather talk with someone else.
"One wonders why he doesn't."

You know, it's funny how quickly Omega will declare himself the winner when no one posts to contradict him. Well, the Kit Bond post has been up for over, what, 16 hours? I hereby declare myself the winner of this debate, using Omega's definition of such.

I want an exact quote before I comment. You did the same thing, as I recall.

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ou know, Jeff, some of us have these things called "lives".

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Some of us do. You're not one of them. Speaking of which, aren't you making a "judgement" that I have no life? And how did you come to this conclusion?

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You might want to get one some time.

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This from a guy whose definition of a "life" is a lock-in at your church to play "Starcraft."

A quote is easy enough to find. CNN --> Crossfire --> Transcripts 8/21/01.

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WEXLER: Senator, with all due respect, yes or no, are we now dipping into the Medicare trust fund account? Yes or no? We are, right?

BOND: Right now, depending on how much money we spend, the economic situation is going to put us in a position where we are in trouble meeting the needs right now.

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Now, if there's no medicare trust, one wonders why he didn't just SAY that.

Amazing. I ask for Omega's response on Senator Bond's comments, and he says I have no life. Then again, people with lives that I know don't go around IMing each other with, "those lying Democratic scum" like Omega does.

Hey, kid: that ain't a valid debating tactic. Your debating team would be ashamed of you. Re-learn what an ad-hominem is.

[edited by MeGotBeer to remove harshness that might make Omega (David Wico?) cry]

[ August 22, 2001: Message edited by: MeGotBeer ]

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depending on how much money we spend,

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reference to Dems' tacking on as much new spending to the current bills as they possibly can

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THERE. IS. NO. SOCIAL. SECURITY. TRUST. FUND.

There hasn't been a social security trust fund for decades.

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*emphasis mine

Sorry Reactionary Boy, Rush is wrong. And you are wrong. Big time wrong.

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III. FINANCIAL OPERATIONS OF THE TRUST FUNDS AND LEGISLATIVE CHANGES IN THE LAST YEAR

A. OPERATIONS OF THE OLD-AGE AND SURVIVORS INSURANCE (OASI) AND DISABILITY INSURANCE (DI) TRUST FUNDS, IN FISCAL YEAR 2000

Detailed information on the operations of the OASI and DI Trust Funds during fiscal year 2000 is presented in this section. Fiscal year data are shown in this section because final calendar year data for 2000 were not available at the time this report was prepared. All other data in the body of the report are on a calendar year basis. Appendix C provides projections for fiscal years 2001-10

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http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TR/TR01/tr_IIIA.html

*emphasis mine

So, all that, I now take the time to point at Reactionary Boy and say "liar, liar, pants on fire."

So, please take the time and EXPLAIN to EVERYONE here why they should listen to ANY OF THE CRUD you say FROM NOW ON since you chose not to find out this LITTLE FACT.

I love putting random words in caps.

[ August 23, 2001: Message edited by: Jay the Obscure ]

Excuse me? OASI and DI? What, are those technical terms for Social Security and Medicare, or did I miss some change in subject?

Well, we'll go under the assumption that they are the former. Again, you obviously didn't read the third link I gave Jeff in the conversation he so pointlessly posted.

"The Social Security Trust Fund is simply a meaningless record of taxes that have been collected for future needs, spent for
current desires, and then recorded and counted as an asset"

There WAS a SS trust fund. The Congress plundered it years ago, and promised to pay it back. They never did. (That was one of Bush's initiatives, BTW: recreate the SS trust fund with part of the surplus.) Effectively, Congress counts an IOU as part of its assets. There is no money in the Social Security trust fund. Congress just shoves numbers around to make it look so.

And there never was a Medicare trust fund. It was designed to be redistributionist (read: socialist) right from the beginning. Social Security has only become socialist in the last few decades.

Under any circumstances, the Democrat leadership is still lying scum. We have a surplus this year of over $150 billion dollars. How could we, by any stretch of the imagination, be removing funding from Medicare to pay for a tax cut when we have a massive surplus? They're lying to people like the senior citizens in Independence for the purposes of frightening them. Simple as that.