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The_Tom
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Oh, The_Tom, you just love harrassing MIB don't you? Can't you just give it a rest for one damn second? You're like me going after Omega!

Wait -- that's a good thing.



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Really. Honestly, go harrass Omega. At least it's fun to harrass.

I once had a conversation with him and he was telling me that turning anti-matter into a useable power source was impossible for some reason. I can't remember what he said to explain why. Care to refreash my memory, O?

Was that little tidbit pointless? Well.....yes. Come to think of it, why did I even mention it?


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And to think that homeschoolers win spelling bees so often. You're a disgrace, MIB!

Clinton lied about the fact that Bush rose taxes and started a recession?

No, he lied about the length and extent of the recession. He claimed the recession was still going on when it had ended many months earlier. He claimed it was the worst economy since the Great Depression, which was a major exaggeration.

Oh, come on, Tom! Share your newfound knowledge!

I once had a conversation with him and he was telling me that turning anti-matter into a useable power source was impossible for some reason.

On a planet, antimatter would be useless. For planet-based power sources, you convert existing materials into energy: wood, oil, uranium, what have you. To use planet-based anti-matter generators, you'd have to find a large supply of pre-existing anti-matter. That's difficult, to say the least.

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Wait a minute. Certianly at some point we can find a way to convert at least simple atoms of mattler like Hydrogen into Anti-hydrogen couldn't we?

One more thing. Spelling was always my weakest subject. It was when I was in public schools, it still is today, and it probably will always my weakest subject. Is that so hard to understand. *sniff* I bet there is at least one thing that even you absolutly suck at, Omega.

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It would take more energy to convert the particles of matter into antimatter than the antimatter would produce when it was utilized as fuel.

Basic energy dynamics... you always get less energy out of any system than you put into it. The only way to 'win' is to increase efficiency or find new sources of energy.

And the 'lowered taxes' should take care of the 'domestic policy' question, especially when the market rebounds in 2002.

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quote:
No, he lied about the length and extent of the recession. He claimed the recession was still going on when it had ended many months earlier. He claimed it was the worst economy since the Great Depression, which was a major exaggeration.

When did he claim that? Surely you can cite sources.

And isn't this a violation of your "I Won't Be A Talking Head" pledge?

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Oh, come on, Tom! Share your newfound knowledge!

Yes, Tom, it's so much more fun when someone else shows Omega what the inside of his own ass looks like.

Rob -- if all Bush is planning on doing domestically is "lowering taxes" and people think it'll "take care of him politically on the domestic agenda", then you guys need to start pulling your heads out of your asses.

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quote:
Originally posted by First of Two:
Basic energy dynamics... you always get less energy out of any system than you put into it. The only way to 'win' is to increase efficiency or find new sources of energy.


Exactly. I'm sure that at some point in the future, we'll find a way to do it without using as much energy as we currently need to do it.


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Then we'll be Gods, and we won't need energy sources.

We'd have more energy if we DIDN'T do it, so what would be the point?

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I'm not exactly following you.

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He's saying that Gods don't need energy sources.

Really, this isn't rocket science. Or Algebra, even.

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I relize that, but Omega and 1st of 2 here are being extremely cryptic as to why power via anti-matter would be impossible. I'd like to know exactly why it's impossible.

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Okay, MIB.

Say I have 400 Zorks of energy to use.

Making one Gleeb of antimatter costs, say, 100 Zorks of power. So you have 4 Gleebs.

The first law of thermodynamics, which applies to ALL energy-producing systems, states that you CANNOT get an energy-producing system to produce more, or even as much, as it takes to create it.

This means at BEST, with near MIRACULOUS efficiency, one Gleeb can produce maybe 90 Zorks. And it's more likely, given how hard it is to make antimatter, that one Gleeb will produce something like 40 Zorks.

so you're left with 4 Gleebs producing 40 Zorks each = 160 Zorks

When you could have left things be and had 400 Zorks to use.

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Maybe it's like that now, but I am sure that we will find a way to make anti-matter without using so much energy. It's just a simple matter of taking regular matter, and reversing the electric polarities of the protons and electrons. I also read that anti-matter has anti-nuetrons as well, but I don't really understand as to how that is the case, sense nuetrons don't have an electrical charge.

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No, MIB. It's the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which always has and always will hold true, till the end of time. No matter HOW we make antimatter, making fuel for a reactor will require another reaction that will also cost energy. Doing so, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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