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I don't think its Obena class, since the pylon of the Obena is in straight line to the secondary hull while this one runs vertically. But it could be a variant, as you said.
Btw, the link you provided seems not to work...
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Bill Krause said on his IG that it's a John Eaves design, so...
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I'm just going on my own impressions and assumptions here, but it seems quite reasonable that any 110-year-old ship would have gone through a few refits and could have different nacelles. The overall size and arrangement of the hull looks so similar that I have no problem assuming that it's the same ship.
I also have no problem believing it's a new ship. I just thought it'd be really cool if it was the same Excelsior that Sulu commanded.
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quote:quote: so Titan was 80102 in 2379, but Stargazer is 82893 in 2401, so only 2700 ships in 22 years? After a war? NO. It doesn't make sense, because 82893 is an easter egg. 2893 was the old Stargazer's registry. Which leads me to the 3 gold-plated models in the ship's ready room: Radiant-class from the TOS era Constellation-class Sagan-class
I watched a WWII documentary a few weeks ago that made an interesting point: most militaries, when producing items requiring a serial number -- particularly, say, tanks -- randomize the numbers.
The Germans didn't.
So if you captured a tank, and you saw it was stamped unit #650, you knew the Germans had produced at LEAST 650 tanks.
Couldn't an enemy force use the highly visible Starfleet registry number to a similar purpose? Certainly not exact, but if you had an intelligence service, and you knew Starfleet had an active duty of, say, NCC-26500, and then you knew that the highest number was NCC-80,000, you knew Starfleet had, potentially, as many as 53,500 starships in service.
But! If we don't want to accept that Starfleet might randomly shift registry numbers around (at least for a few more centuries, as we really shouldn't be seeing four-and-five digit registries in the current time frame of Discovery), another possible explanation:
For whatever reason, Starfleet assigned a range of numbers for a production of a specific class of starship. Perhaps the class was delayed, or there were significant design issues which resulted in the class being scrapped, or significantly reworked.
The new Stargazer, then, is either part of a class that was long delayed in entering service; or, Starfleet decided that the initial production run -- eventually -- wasn't going to happen, and reassigned those numbers to a new class (the new Stargazer type).
Or, the Stargazer is actually a bit older than we believe it to be, perhaps recently refitted (I've only seen the episode once and I can't recall if it's described as a brand new ship).
Regarding the displays featuring the movie-era Excelsior and Picard's Stargazer: I interpreted this as a bit of a museum piece -- look at the ships our new ships are named for.
If the Stargazer, Picard's, had been reactivated due to an extreme shortage of vessels, it is hard to imagine Starfleet would want two ships in service at the same time with the same names (just to minimize the risk of miscommunication, no matter how slight).
Anyway, looking forward to Eaglemoss's models of the Lower Decks and Picard versions of a re-imagined Excelsior. Gives weight to a long standing argument that the Akira-Class was designed in honor of the NX Class (in universe, as I do know the production reason is the reverse; similar to how Volkswagen and Jeep have made Beetles and Wranglers which look like modern version of classic vehicles).
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Doug Drexler has stated that the Excelsior seen in PIC is a new design of a new Excelsior class, and is not the same ship as the NCC-2000. Which is all fine and great, but it’s a little annoying that in 2401 Starfleet makes a new class of ship with the same class name as a class from 2285, and the same basic external design, only updated. The Obena class was annoying enough with this nonsense, but now we have a new Excelsior class only 115 years after the old Excelsior class? I could understand them reusing class names in the 32nd century 900 years later, but this? Meh.
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So far some of his comments are ambiguous. Is it a new class or a refit of the original? We might get some clarification today.
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Comments where?
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quote:It's a brand-new class of Excelsior style ship. A little sleeker, but 100% recognizable.
quote:It's a new generation of Excelsior class vessels. Very sleek.
quote:No. This is a second generation design. It's new. Sulu's ship is probably in a museum.
quote:This is a second generation design. It's new. Sulu's Excelsior was nearing the end of it's operational life in TNG.
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USS Eureka NCC-42023 Excelsior II class USS Excelsior NCC-42037 Excelsior II class USS Helios NCC-63284 Akira class USS Rabin NCC-63293 Akira class USS Thunderchild NCC-63549 Akira class USS Avalon NCC-63887 Akira class USS Okuda NCC-74107 Sovereign class USS Pachacuti NCC-74181 Sovereign class USS Gilgamesh NCC-74669 Sovereign class USS Valkyrie NCC-74877 Sovereign class USS Hutchinson NCC-74957 Sovereign class USS Hrothgar NCC-74975 Sovereign class USS Vanguard NCC-75148 Ross class USS Venture NCC-75306 Sovereign class USS Arsinoe NCC-75307 Sovereign class USS Yi Sun-Sin NCC-76545 Ross class USS Luna NCC-80101 Luna class USS Oberon NCC-80103 Luna class USS Europa NCC-80104 Luna class USS Stargazer NCC-82893 Sagan class USS Nathan Hale NCC-86501 Inquiry class USS Rustazh NCC-86503 Inquiry class USS Zheng He NCC-86505 Inquiry class USS Magellan NCC-86509 Inquiry class USS Shackleton NCC-86517 Inquiry class USS Reliant NCC-90200 Reliant class USS Clark NCC-90206 Reliant class USS Uhura NCC-90214 Reliant class USS Sutherland NCC-91800 Sutherland class USS Huygens NCC-91814 Sutherland class USS Almagest NCC-91870 Sutherland class USS ibn Al-Haytham NCC-91965 Sutherland class USS Gagarin NCC-97930 Gagarin class
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Reliant class 251,0 m Luna class 453,3 m Akira class 464,4 m Gagarin class 492,0 m Sagan class 540,7 m Excelsior II class 588,0 m Inquiry class 640,1 m Sutherland class 652,4 m Ross class 663,2 m Sovereign class 685,8 m
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Okay then! I’m mostly happy with the “new” Excelsior, aside from its ridiculously-low registry number that’s annoyingly similar to numerous mid-century original-gen Excelsiors seen in TNG. The ship looks like a post-Dominion War design, not a pre-TNG cruiser.
I’m also very glad they didn’t let John Eaves name all the ships this time around.
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Yeah, but Starfleet is still pretty much a Homo sapiens club.
I'm really not a fan of the new Excelsior. Almost everything looks like the original Excelsior, with the saucer and neck unfavorably stretched and anachronistic late 24th century nacelles slapped unto it. Basically a classic Eaves fail who couldn't design a pre2370 ship if his life depended on it.
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quote:Originally posted by Spike: USS Eureka NCC-42023 Excelsior II class USS Excelsior NCC-42037 Excelsior II class USS Helios NCC-63284 Akira class USS Rabin NCC-63293 Akira class USS Thunderchild NCC-63549 Akira class USS Avalon NCC-63887 Akira class USS Okuda NCC-74107 Sovereign class USS Pachacuti NCC-74181 Sovereign class USS Gilgamesh NCC-74669 Sovereign class USS Valkyrie NCC-74877 Sovereign class USS Hutchinson NCC-74957 Sovereign class USS Hrothgar NCC-74975 Sovereign class USS Vanguard NCC-75148 Ross class USS Venture NCC-75306 Sovereign class USS Arsinoe NCC-75307 Sovereign class USS Yi Sun-Sin NCC-76545 Ross class USS Luna NCC-80101 Luna class USS Oberon NCC-80103 Luna class USS Europa NCC-80104 Luna class USS Stargazer NCC-82893 Sagan class USS Nathan Hale NCC-86501 Inquiry class USS Rustazh NCC-86503 Inquiry class USS Zheng He NCC-86505 Inquiry class USS Magellan NCC-86509 Inquiry class USS Shackleton NCC-86517 Inquiry class USS Reliant NCC-90200 Reliant class USS Clark NCC-90206 Reliant class USS Uhura NCC-90214 Reliant class USS Sutherland NCC-91800 Sutherland class USS Huygens NCC-91814 Sutherland class USS Almagest NCC-91870 Sutherland class USS ibn Al-Haytham NCC-91965 Sutherland class USS Gagarin NCC-97930 Gagarin class
Sad that STO got canonized. Happy that the fleet got expanded.
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No. I'm defintely not rejigging for this bullshit.
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