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So obviously I looked on Wikipedia. Two people listed with Khan as a first name, both essentially names they assumed. So no actual genuine Asian precedent that I can locate.
But if Khan is a first name he was given by people - scientists, likely - clueless as to the etymology and tone-deaf when it comes to notions of cultural appropriation, then it makes a kind of sense.
Madonna (Louise Ciccone) Prince (Rogers Nelson) Count Arthur Strong?
quote:Originally posted by Shik: Khan wasn't his fucking name, it was a self-granted title. His name was Noonien Singh, first & last, not a hyphenated family name.
Well, at least they're finally fucking admitting this is all AU.
In Space Seed, when asked who he is, he replies "Khan is my name." It's in the scene where Kirk visits him in sickbay not long after he holds the knife to McCoy's throat.
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It’s a conceit somewhat akin to accepting that the James Bond we see in every film between Dr. No and - depending on who you ask - A View To A Kill, Licence To Kill, or Die Another Day is the “same” person regardless of the actor playing him. That the future portrayed in Star Trek is OUR future. So we pretend that occasional changes (no Eugenics Wars in the 199s) can somehow occur without disrupting the overall flow of the timeline.
(I mean, as if. If anything we’re the Mirror Universe. Any Vulcans show up here, they’re getting deaded pretty-much immediately)
So Khan having a title for a first name is odd, but it’s the only explanation that can exist given its established canon usage. So no it makes no sense but as evidence for some sort of AU it’s insufficient.
quote:Originally posted by Lee: It’s a conceit somewhat akin to accepting that the James Bond we see in every film between Dr. No and - depending on who you ask - A View To A Kill, Licence To Kill, or Die Another Day is the “same” person regardless of the actor playing him.
I know it's been said before, I liked the theory that 'James Bond' was a code name attached to the 007 designation. Like Connery's Bond was really named Richard Brown, or Daniel Craig's Bond was really named Matt Decker, etc...but they say James Bond to keep their families safe.
Then Skyfall happened and wiped out that theory.
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Given Casino Royale was plainly a reboot, it doesn’t preclude all the previous Bonds applying to that theory. But the fact that there is no indication of it in any of the pre-CR canon, andthey’re unlikely to return to that timeline (or then again they might, who knows?) to even retcon that that’s what is going on, rules it out I think.
Plus there are things in Lazenby’s & Moore’s films which reference things that happened to their predecessors in the role as having happened to them - when Lazenby clears out his office it’s full of stuff from Connery films; Moore visits Tracy’s grave and is attacked by someone plainly meant to be Blofeld (and Dalton is also established as a widower).
The timeline of the Craig films is interesting. CR came out and is set in 2006 (Vesper’s grave in NTTD confirms that). QoS carries straight on from CR give or take a week or three. But it’s when Skyfall happens that it gets really interesting. Spectre happens a short while after Skyfall; and the pre-credits part of NTTD shortly after Spectre. The latter part of NTTD happens in approximately 2020 (it’s when the film was meant to have been released, after all) - and quite explicitly five years after the first part!
So what? Well:
- CR (released 2006): set in 2006 - QoS (2008): also 2006 - the weather in Siena looks summery, as did the weather throughout CR, so I think it’s the same year. - Skyfall (2012): 2014 or 2015? hard to tell what time of year it’s set; London doesn’t look wintery but Scotland does (but it is Scotland!). - Spectre (2015): 2014 or 2015? Day of the Dead is in November. - NTTDa (2021): early-mid 2015 or 2016. - NTTDb (2021): 2020 or 2021?
The point of this is, there is potentially a seven- or eight-year gap between QoS and Skyfall. And there is so much in the latter which underlines it. Bond is knackered, worn out, jaded.
So, just think of the stories that happened during that time, the adventures he had. In my (ugh) headcanon, a lot of the previous films or the books they’re based on, suitably updated chronologically, could have taken place during those years. OK not any of the ones with Blofeld or Spectre obviously, but some of them!
And that’s a shame. Craig was a good Bond, could have stood to see a few more straight adventures WITH him rather than just the films we got ABOUT him. A lot of the fault lies with Quantum of Solace: there’s the germ of a really good film in there. But it’s missing half an hour of vital plot development, thanks to the 2008 writer’s strike. That they wouldn’t delay the release to fix the problems, were emphatic it HAD to come out on time, is a cruel irony given what happened with No Time To Die.
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