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Eclipse
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Just thinking back to "Living Witness". We don't know when the 'real' Voyager's contact with the aliens (someone tell me the name, please!) takes place. i.e. That timeline hasn't (to our knowledge) yet been excised. It could be the Doc doesn't make it home with the rest of the crew, just as the episode suggested.

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Lee
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I think it's pretty much assumed that the 23rd-century part of the episode took place at the episode's time, ie at that part of the year.

What's always been much more interesting to me is that all those hundred of years in the future, and yet the Federation hasn't made it out as far as this civilization.

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Yes, the 23rd Century parts of "Living Witness" did take place at the same time a regular episode would have. That was verified in "Course: Oblivion," when Chakotay made the comment that the planet in "Demon" was in the Vascan sector (the Vascans were one of the two species in "Living Witness.")

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And as i recall the stolen version from the doctor was a backup module.

Crap,i needed one as my pc was crashed by a virus.

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My question is, why can they make a copy of the Docs files, like when they sent him back to the Federation? He, of all the characters, can be the one to be in several places at once. Then a return transmission would only need to include the updated files, which could be transmitted back and forth, leaving room for letters and what not.

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Why should they be able to copy the Doctor any better than they can copy themselves? (Leaving aside the issue of their body, for the moment.)

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I think that would be too much of work. And why should they do this when a transmission should suffice.
The broadcast quality seems to be very unstable and the compressed holographic datastream of a character (or the doctor) would degrade too much.
Anyway they were not sending a copy over to the alpha quadrant, and when they did it in "Lifeline" most of the doctors subprograms and additions were seperated from the main program because that was too much data to handle.
Maybe this EMH backup module does not include the doctors holographic appearance, only his memory files, and this race in "living witness" reconstructed the rest accordingly. At first they made him a robot, after they found the backup module their computer made him look right.
Just a thought...

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Were the "Living Witness" races warp-capable? Perhaps they are still under PD protection 700 years from "now", which is why they know nothing of the Federation... The style of government demonstrated there would probably prohibit the development of warp drive.

I mean, successful hiding of key facts of history from 700 years in the past requires either a systematic and complete destruction of old records, or a continuing repression for the better part of those 700 years. I doubt destruction could be 100% complete if the style of oppressive goverment had been at it for only a short while - and even a single hint of the Voyager story being less than candid would rattle the foundations of the society mightily. It seems the static government would have to have been in place for ages, certainly preventing invention or publishing of invention of warp drive.

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Aban Rune
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I believe that the Vascans were warp capable as, at the end of the ep, it was mentioned that the Doc took a small ship and headed for the Alpha Quadrant. Without warp, he wouldn't have had a chance.

Whether they had warp or not, it seems obvious that they knew of other races when Voyager got to their planet otherwise, Voyager would never have established contact.

And, yes, the backup module that was stolen seems to be a complete copy of the Doc's files. Why they didn't use this in Message in a Bottle when the Doc was off playing counter-insurgent, I don't know. My guess is that they have since replaced this backup module.

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Lee
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Ahh, the innocence and naivet� of youth. . . The Doctor was away on a mission from which he was generally (as long as they were being optimistic) expected to return. The backup copy was just that, there for use if the original was beyond use. Once running, it would be to all intents and purposes, The Doctor. What happened if the original comes back? You say thansk, and delete him? Or do you delete the copy, now an individual in its own right? Maybe you could try to integrate them, but face facts, the programme was so screwed to buggery beyond its original architecture by then, it'd be a big risk.

No, in the meantime, until they knew they'd need the backup, they could just utilise the Doctor's assistant - even if he was a lazy incompetent little git.

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You make a good point. But "youth"? "Naivet�"? I beg your pardon.

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Hee hee. �)

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