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Did we ever see the flagships in WYLB? Presumably Martok found himself a Negh'Var and Ross found himself a comfy Galaxy or Sovereign. Did their backgrounds on the viewscreen give us any clues? - I couldn't make anything much out.
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No...Martok's not a Negh'Var kinda guy. I'm sure he sat there & roared & sang with the rest of the gang on the Rotarran. As for Bill Ross...he's kind of a "down in the trenches" dude, too. I bet he was on some half-blasted Excelsior that used t'be his old command.
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Actually, it's the large ships that would be in the middle of the battle. Logically, a fleet commander would stay in an Oberth or something, hidden behind a moon.
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Well, from teh episode, you can see Admiral Ross standing in front of what seems to be the main Engineering panels on the Defiant sets. Martok was sitting on the "generic Klingon bridge" set that's served as every Klingon bridge of every ship since the Bounty on Star Trek IV.
What does this mean for Ross? Was he sitting in the Engineering set of a Defiant-class ship, directing the battle from there? Not likely. What I like to think is that Ross was on the bridge of a ship designed at the Defiant tech level (thus explaining the set), doing his thing from the rear lines / vanguard (and leaving Sisko as a group commander in the fleet proper, as I've proposed on the newsgroups). An Oberth? Maybe, if it was refitted with extra comm gear and strategic sensors and computers. If he were on an old Excelsior (as we've seen frequently on TNG), that'd be okay too.
Or, if his "personal ship" (like Riker in "All Good Things...") was actually the Intrepid-class USS Bellerophon we saw in "Inter Arma...", that'd may even work best. Intrepids are tough, but probably wouldn't have the sheer firepower of the larger ships. Ross could command his fleet from the high-tech Bellerophon, and with that ship's speed and maneuverability he could zip back and forth along the battle lines as needed and stay relatively safe.
Mark
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Martok doesn't like Negh'Vars? What about "Way of the Warrior"? Or are we saying it was the liquid impostor then?
Staying behind the lines? The Romulan flagship conspicuously failed to do that, and of the three Allied powers, they're the least likely to get stuck in there.
Thinking of Sovereign sightings in DS9 - can anyone confirm/disprove an inkling I have from "By Inferno's Light". I think we saw one from below, hanging on the edge of the fleet next to the docking ring. If memory serves, it's not the scene where the Romulans arrive, but the act before. My friend and I saw it, went "Was that just a Sov-?" and then the shot was gone. Can't seem to find the tape anywhere. Damn.
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I'll try to find my tape, but I seriously doubt it. I don't think they were letting the DS9 people use the Sovvie for some reason. I think they wanted to keep it "just for the movies".
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Yup, Sovvies = Movies only. After the next one though (which is probably the last one), we may see her on TV in whatever series comes next. Just as the Galaxy class image became free-reign after "Generations".
The Martok on the Negh'Var was most likely the Changeling. When the "real" Martok showed up on the Dominion prison, he said he'd been stuck there for two years. That episode occurred halfway through the fifth season, whereas WotW is of course at the beginning of the fourth. It's possible he was rounding up, but given the pro-war attitude of Martok in WotW, I'm of the belief that it was indeed the Changeling.
Still, it doesn't mean that Martok HAD to be on a Negh'Var in WYLB. Yes, he likes his little Rotarran, which has been mentioned as his flagship. But since he made the switch to Chancellor, he may have upgraded. He's done so before, inexplicably switching to the Ch'Tang in "Once More Unto the Breach", and then back to the Rotarran by "Inter Arma...". I'm still trying to figure out why he did that. Battle damage to the Rotarran, perhaps? There's no production reason he made the switch, since they used the same sets and only installed a teeny little console on the side of the command chair.
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Ross: I would say he either is staying on a heavily upgrated Galaxy-Class (like the USS Venture with extra Phasers on top of the warp nacelles or the ones with black "cobra necks" from Sacrifice of Angels) or his personal ship the USS Bellerophon. However, in the novelization of WYLB Admiral Ross ship is mentioned as USS Farragut, but first i don't think that this would be another Nebula-Class and second this can only treated as half-canon since it was never mentioned on screen!
Martok: I don't really think he's aboard on one of the V'orcha or Negh'Var Cruisers. The Rotarran is his personal ship... maybe upgrated Bird of Prey with a lot of escort. The Rotarran is also mentioned in the book.
Romulans: No real clue. Again in the book the Flagship has the name D'ridthau.
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I remember early spoilers for WYLB had the Romulan flagship's name as the D'ridthau. Maybe the name is semi-canon because the name is in the script as production or side notes.
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D'ridthau sounds almost like a Diane Duane name for a Romulan ship... Cool!
I guess Martok could have operated the small Rotarran as the flagship of the fleet of the House of Martok. When in Imperial service, he would probably use Imperial ships bigger than the ones his House could afford. In "Tacking Against the Wind", Martok has just led a task force of fifteen Vor'Chas against the enemy - obviously, those were Imperial ships, and I very much doubt Martok would have used his little BoP in this battle when he felt even those fifteen attack cruisers were too weak against the target given. Martok is not a brave fool - he would sensibly go for overkill if offered the possibility. So in the final assault, Martok would use the biggest and baddest ship he could get his hands on. A Negh'Var might be too sluggish and passive for his tastes, but the Rotarran in turn would offer LESS chances for hands-on, down-in-the-trenches fighting since it was so much less powerful than a Vor'Cha.
Probably Martok's House owned at least a couple of BoPs, being so influential (even the disgraced House of Mogh had several in "Redemption"), so Martok could switch between these at will. Perhaps his only asset in the DS9 front for a long time was the Rotarran, since his position back home was precarious due to his dishonorable imprisonment, and he needed most of the House ships back there for insurance. When his position stabilized, he could assign more ships to the DS9 front and use them instead of the war-weary Rotarran.
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What I would have liked to have seen was a view screen bit with the Romulan commander as well! and when the Cardassians joined - a battered and bloody Cardassian... with a dead vorta in the background - maybe with its head on a plasma transfer relay
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