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To answer these in turn, Shik: I originally drew the format for the 10 Fleets from Lance's original chart, in which there were Ten Fleets (as seen on DS9 - although we don't know for sure if there are more than 10). But it would make sense to have the entire fleet broken into organized sub-fleets in the event of war. If the fleet comprises 6000 (which is a fair guess), that would figure would be divided into 10 fleets of 600, coincidentally the same number of ships that made up Sisko's taskforce in 'Sacrifice of Angels'.
And we know, for example, that during TNG, in the event of a new sustained Cardassian war the Ent-D was pre-assigned to a Fleet to protect systems adjacent to, and including, Minos Korva. This could also be one such 'sub-Fleet'. I think the numbers are preset and organized, and on one of the charts you linked to, the US Nazy doesn't go higher than the 7th Fleet, from what I could see...
I don't know about Galaxy Wings, most likely they are assigned as and when in the event of an assembled taskforce going to war.
OnToMars: Thanks for confirming that. Starfleet Medical has been referred to many times, I think first of all when Dr Crusher left for a year to take a position at Starfleet Medical.
Sol, although Starfleet Security is a canon institution (the last known head of which was Admiral Ranar), I don't know myself whether there is a specific entity called the Starfleet Security Council. Again, it's just speculative, like the Joint Chiefs, which came from Lance's old chart.
The JAG part is misleading, I've drawn it up incorrectly. All those three boxes are meant to branch individually from Legislative Affairs. The Jag division and the Regulatory Agency are completely separate departments.
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Starfleet may have an agency in charge of deep space probes, but I doubt it would be UESPA. That would be like putting NASA or the FBI into a United Nations table of organization. Of course, it's never been clear what (if any) local government remains in place when a world joins the Federation. From what little we've seen, Vulcan seems to be the only one to maintain government agencies definitely separate from those of the UFP.
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WEll, UESPA wouldnt be a Federation agency, but still existing in the 2260s, it may be favored when it came to exploration activities. Similar to how even though the United Nations comprises many many countries with their own military, when there is a UN military decision, certain militaries are favored sometimes. Its a growing pain that may be resolved one day as the coalition becomes closer. i.e, as the Federation gets knit better (by TNG era) its own agencies will become the forefront, causing the individual member agencies to become less important. Thats why UESPA kind of faded into the backgorund. There was the Federation Starfleet becoming more powerful until UESPA wasnt needed to help organize or support the organization
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Just a few questions (and some sort of answers, though mostly opinions):
1) How big is Starfleet? As the Red Admiral said I can't see the fleet being any bigger than 6000, taking into account stuff from TNG and DS9. But didn't that 600 ship fleet in 'Sacrifice...' include Klingon ships?
2) How do 'local' space fleets fit in with Starfleet? Well, we've seen several different registry prefixes (NAR, NSP(?) etc.) and I think it's been pointed out that the terran ships have NAR and other registry prefixes have been applied to ships of other races. Obviously these 'local' spacecraft would include civilian freighters and private craft, as well as science vessels owned by UESPA and other planetary government agencies, not to mention private companies and perhaps even universities. I would imagine that these ships would be used to augment Starfleet facilities and also be used in lower risk areas than those Starfleet operates in. Also I wonder if the planetary defence systems of the Federation's 'core' worlds (Earth, Vulcan, Andor etc) would also be provided by local defense forces (perhaps using ex-Starfleet ships).
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I think a little bigger than 6000 ships of the line, but i think that support vessels (like freighters, tenders and runabouts) must outnumber the main ships. If every starbase and the large starships have runabouts, you can see how they would add up (and explain where 75000 NCC numbers went to)
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Yeah, I agree about the support ships, but would they be part of the combat fleets or have their own organisation and then be attached to the fleets?
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But as for the size of the fleet I always estimated 6000- 8000 ships. This includes all Starfleet's military ships, as well as hospital ships, transports, and other such support ships.
Whatever ships though have a USS prefix it would signify to me that it is a Starfleet ship. SS, NAR, NSP etc. are all Federation ships, of course, but fall outside direct Starfleet control. I very much doubt these ships would be combat effective, and as they're not under Starfleet juristiction they would not participate in any of Starfleet's military engagements.
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quote:Originally posted by Wraith: 1) How big is Starfleet? As the Red Admiral said I can't see the fleet being any bigger than 6000, taking into account stuff from TNG and DS9. But didn't that 600 ship fleet in 'Sacrifice...' include Klingon ships?
As many here know, Ronald D. Moore said that the producers of DS9 operated under the assumption that Starfleet had 8,000 ships at the beginning of the Dominion War. That's close enough to canon for me.
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