B4 should have had Lore's facial tick! Actually why didn't they mention Lore? Why didn't they just make the Android Lore!?! That would have been a cool movie.
Another comment about Nemesis (I haven't gathered my thoughts up about the movie yet) but John Logan didn't do a very good job. The characters were like shadows of themselves. They really had NOTHING to say. It was all rather pointless. Even the reminiscing between Picard and Beverly was hollow.
Captain Donatra - WTF was that? She starts off being all "Romulan Commander from 'The Enterprise Incident'" but turns into a gung-ho smiley chatty Romulan who alludes to there being peace. She was one of the Romulans who were war-mongering in the FIRST PLACE - not great - gah.
Not a good 'notch' in the long line of GREAT Romulan commanders (most women)
The Romulan Commander from "The Enterprise Incident"
Carolyn Semour's two fantastic bitter and rasp-like Romulan Characters from "Contagion" and especially from "Face of the Enemy".
T'Rul from "The Search" (What was the actress called - also played Seska).
Senator Vreenak (the first one - the actress played the germ-freak in Seinfeld and the ep with 'Suzie') in "A Time to Stand".
The Romulan chick who was like 2nd in command of the Tal Shiar/Obsidian Order task force to destroy the Founder's homeworld - gee DS9 was bloody good.
The "Never turn your back on a Breen" Romulan Chick (who I gather was supposed to be the same character as the "The Die Is Cast" Romulan.
and the guys... Tomalok, for starters.
The wanker in "Message in a Bottle" was played to stupidly. (I have a theory about that episode that it was Ferengi who over took the ship) - sorta makes more sense).
OMG! I totally forgot - the chilling performance of the Senator that Sisko and Garak tried to trick.
I still get chills when I see that "Its a faaaake!"
Brilliant.
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I believe the phrase in "Descent" was "the sons of Soong".
And I haven't seen Nemesis, but I don't think B4 could be one of the first three prototypes, since those all failed. I'm guessing he wasn't built by Soong, but was made from a copy of Data's schematics. Or did they specifically say otherwise?
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Regarding Lore, he was most likely dismantled by the E-D crew and sent over to Maddox or someone else at the Daystrom Institute for study. I don't think it really could have been Lore instead of B4.
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And regarding B4, it could have been one of the prototype seeing as "failed" could just be not living up to Soong's expectations. It also could have meant there was something wrong with B4 that Soong couldn't fix, but yet when Shinzon got ahold of him, he could fix. He realy couldn't be based off of Data's schematics because it was said in dialog that he's less sophisticated and not as complex as Data, meaning he most likely came before Data and Lore.
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Of course, if an American posted a thread with this title and then proceeded to wander far afield with Nemesis spoilers he'd no doubt be reprimanded and mocked aggressively.
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Actually, what's the official Flare limit on spoiler stuff? I'm guessing that Nemesis has been out in Australia, as well as the US, UK and Canada. How much of Europe has seen it?
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Well, it wasn't necessarily geared towards anyone. Just an observation by a crochety old person. But, you know, you didn't start this thread.
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quote:Originally posted by Sol System: Of course, if an American posted a thread with this title and then proceeded to wander far afield with Nemesis spoilers he'd no doubt be reprimanded and mocked aggressively.
Well hey did you happen to just MISS the rather LENGTHY spoiler space I put in??
Oh and so what if my original post veers a little - It made sense in the flow of the post. Sheesh - now you don't like how people compose their posts!?!
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They didn't mention Lore for two reasons A) There's a chance some causal viewers wouldn't know what they were talking about, and we can't have that. B) They wanted to milk the whole "We're brothers" thing like it had never happened before.
That's just my cynical take on it.
B4 had a positronic brain, so it's likely that the android was actually constructed by Soong and not fabricated by Schinzon. In fact, Schinzon even said that he had to modify B4 after he found him. Though... having it come out that B4 actually was created by Schizon would actually make the whole thing alot more plausible.
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Well I agree with your cynicism but they mentioned Dr. Soong.
Anyway, they missed out on so much AWESOME potential here!! I was just thinking.
Shinzon needs to create Data. Shinzy is from Picard's DNA. B4 could be taken from "Data". Some how a "part" of Data was left behind in Tasha Yar (presumably that a similar action occured in the YE universe) And that somehow through Tasha and Selar - we get something of "Data" to make "B4"!
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Did you just suggest that Yar had android sperm taking up residence in her uterus for years and years, and it was eventually extracted by the Romulans and somehow used to replicate Data?
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Uhh...I'm pretty sure it was implied, if not stated outright, in the script/film that B4 was indeed an early prototype of Dr. Soong's. ("...Doctor Soong's penchant for whimsical names..." and the like.)
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