quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: The hell...? The Tarellians we saw in "Haven" didn't have four arms.
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And that's probably why the scene was cut.
But it didn't say Tarellian, now, did it? It said Terrellian. Obviously two different species...
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it wouldnt have been a huge reason, since they went on to add two different species of tarellians later.. i believe one who was visually identified as terellian in DS9 and one other tarelian identified in dialogue as having a physical appearance dissimilar to those two
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In DS9 they did mention Terellians and Terrellians, neither were seen, both were meant to be the same species.
In "Improbable Cause", Garek pointed out a Talarian that was visually much different than those we saw in "Suddenly Human", however, in reality it was a Kobheerian, one seen often during the run of the show.
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we still have Tarellians from "Haven" who are perfect humanoid types, and carry plague
then we have the four armed Terellians who, despite being cut from AGT, were still mentioned as being four armed in "Liaisons"
and there was yet another Terrellian in VGR's "Fight" who was not Tarellian nor four-armed, and several TNG, VGR and ENT episodes have mentioned Terrellians, Tyrellians and Terellians, some of whom had a plague of some sort
sorry about the confusion mentioning DS9, i was thinking of the Talarian problem too..
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If we go by pronunciation alone, then the T-races go something like this:
Tarellans. No "i" there. Humanlike plague victims, only seen or mentioned in "Haven".
T*rellians. * stands for random vowel, sometimes with a second "r" there, too. Spellings in Encyclopedia vary. At least two species implied: a Delta quadrant one Neelix knows about, and a four-armed Alpha/Beta one. Then again, Neelix could have been studying Alpha species.
Talarians. Clear TNG references to lobsterheaded near-humans. Confusing DS9 reference to what looks like a noseless Dopterian, but more of that later on.
Tamarians. Alternate name for "Children of Tama". Again clear, problem-free TNG references.
Now, about those Talarians... When Garak mentions a Talarian, he is making the point that the guy is not swallowing his food as fast as his impatient human companion. However, as the scene is set, it would be wholly impossible for Garak to see how fast or slowly the noseless Dopterian is eating. So it's quite reasonable to assume that he is actually describing a person on a table *other* than the one the camera is pointed at! Or just pulling Bashir's leg, as Bashir is turned the other way and doesn't even bother to properly look at the table the camera shows.
(I wouldn't put it past Garak to even mistake the species of the noseless Dopterian, since all he can see is his back, but that's not as satisfactory an explanation...)
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Americans can't say "Aluminium" properly, so we really can't complain, can we?
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Except that a proper adherance to the Latin naming of elements yields "Aluminum" -- no second 'i'.
Of the elements known to the Romans, only one -- Barium -- ended in '-ium', due to it being a modification of the root word (which I can't remember right now -- 'bari-something', obviously). The others at the time, for comparison purposes, included Aurum (Gold), Argentum (Silver), Cuprum (Copper), Selenum (Tin), Ferrum (Iron), and so on. If you see an atomic symbol that doesn't seem to have anything to do with the actual element name, odds are it's derived from the original Latin name...
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quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: Except that a proper adherance to the Latin naming of elements yields "Aluminum" -- no second 'i'.
Of the elements known to the Romans, only one -- Barium -- ended in '-ium', due to it being a modification of the root word (which I can't remember right now -- 'bari-something', obviously). The others at the time, for comparison purposes, included Aurum (Gold), Argentum (Silver), Cuprum (Copper), Selenum (Tin), Ferrum (Iron), and so on. If you see an atomic symbol that doesn't seem to have anything to do with the actual element name, odds are it's derived from the original Latin name...
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That's a bit irrelevant really. The fact is that it is officially spelt Aluminium, regardless of the original Latin system.
The international organisation responsible for chemistry says it's Aluminium, so it is.
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quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: Except that a proper adherance to the Latin naming of elements yields "Aluminum" -- no second 'i'.
Of the elements known to the Romans, only one -- Barium -- ended in '-ium', due to it being a modification of the root word (which I can't remember right now -- 'bari-something', obviously). The others at the time, for comparison purposes, included Selenum (Tin)
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That's interesting because wasn't the Greek goddess of the moon Sel�n�?
Infact doing a quick google...
Σεληνη (Sel�n�) = the Moon (Greek)
So is Tin still Selenum? I guess it's symbol is still Sn.
Just more on Sel�n�:
quote:Selenium was first identified in 1817 by the Swedish chemist Jakob Berzelius (1779-1848) (note). Berzelius and his colleague Johann Gottlieb Gahn (1745-1818) were studying a method of producing sulphuric acid in lead cameras when they observed residues of a substance with a very intense scent in the bottom of the camera. At first, they thought it was Tellurium. However, a more careful analysis revealed that there were no residues of this element, in spite of its identical properties. To this new substance was given the name Selenium, term that derives from the Greek Σεληνη [Sel�n�] (Moon). Since Klaproth had named Tellurium for the Earth, Berzelius thought it appropriate to name the sister element for the Earth's satellite:
[/quote]In mythology, Selene resembles a young woman with an extremely white face who travels on a silver chariot drawn by two horses. She is often shown riding a horse or a bull. Selene is said to wear robes, carry a torch, and wear a half moon on her head. She was not one of the twelve great gods on Olympus, however she is the moon goddess. After her brother Helios completes his journey across the sky, she begins hers. Before Selene's journey across the night sky she bathes in the sea. She is known for her countless love affairs. The most famous of her loves is the shepherd Endymion. Encyclopedia Mythica. [/quote]
Selene is also known as Diana (who I thought was the goddess of the hunt?)
There you go, a nice little aside!
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quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Just moved on to Sn - and it is Latin for Stannum not Selenum:
quote:Stannum (Latin) > stag
Actually this page is REALLY interesting.
This is a little chart - where they matched up the gods in astrology to the earliest known metals:
In astrology alchemy the seven heavenly bodies known to the ancients were associated with seven metals also known in antiquity:
Sun (Sol) Gold (Aurum) Mercury (Mercurius) Mercury (Hydrargyrum) Venus Copper (Cuprum) Moon (Luna) Silver (Argentum) Mars Iron (Ferrum) Jupiter Tin (Stannum) Saturn Lead (Plumbum)
Moon there is associated with Argentum - Silver.
I knew about the Cornish being the suppliers to the Greeks and co. of Tin way-back when. But there's a whole lot to it on that page:
It has links to the history of the entire periodic table of the elements!
The Cornish word for Tin was Stean - which also seems to be a derivision for the word Stannum.
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