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Phhht. Minor stuff compared with some of Voyager's crew. Murdering sentient lifeforms for fuel, capturing and then redirecting a WMD back at a populated area etc...
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quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Except when they murdered people and almost caused a war between the Federation and the Cardassians and then helped Dukat get the Dominion to take over Cardassia, yeah, they were great.
If the cause is just ...
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... then it's worth plunging the entire Quadrant into ... what would they call it, a Quadrant War? Billions of dead. Well, at least they exterminated the Cardassians in the process ...
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But that is so trite!! We would have been going... oh ohhh! Too obvious.
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quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Except when they murdered people and almost caused a war between the Federation and the Cardassians and then helped Dukat get the Dominion to take over Cardassia, yeah, they were great.
As if those bloody Spoonheads weren't planning to incite another war with the Federation all by themselves. The Maquis were the only ones who got it right, while the Federation was busy appeasing the Cardassians. Nothing the Federation did in TNG or DS9 helped improve relations with the Cardassians, all it did was to give the Cardassians the impression that it was weak and ripe for the pickings.
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So the fact that they went around killing innocent civilians was okay?
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Oh, no more than the UFP abandoning its citizens.
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far greater horrors have been swept under the rug of history during times of upheaval..
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Shouldn't we have had this conversation about 6 years ago?
Actually, the Federation NOT abandoning them was what caused the problems. If they'd have done what they did to the Indian-planet-where-Wesley-Went, and said "You can stay, but you aren't Federation citizens anymore", then there wouldn't have been a problem. But no, they put their planets in Cardassian space, and kept them as Federation citizens. Thereby dragging the Federation into the whole sorry mess.
I wonder if the Federation offered to move them?
And I wonder how many people that supported the Maquis also supported Strangely Dubbed Man in "The Ensigns Of Command", and believe that he should also have started a terrorist campaign.
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The Enterprise was sent to that planet in "Journey's End" specifically to relocate the population, was it not? Or at least to organize such a relocation?
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Yes, I just got TNG season 7 on DVD on Wednesday, and "Journey's End" was the first episode I watched. Indeed, Picard's orders are to move the colonists by whatever means neccessary - Picard is troubled by this to such a degree that Admiral Ice Cold Bitch offers to find another captain to command Enterprise for the mission. Anyway, the A-story revolves around the elder Native American's belief that Picard was sent on the mission to erase a stain on his family's honor from when a Spaniard by the name of Picard participated in a massacre of Native Americans. And then all of a sudden our token Cardie friend -Gul Eveck (who along with Neyechev popped up in quite a few of the Maquis-related episodes: "Playing God", "Maquis pt. 1", "Tribunal", "Journey's End" and "Preemptive Strike" and most famously - "Caretaker") shows up to do a nifty little survey of the planet. Eventually he and Picard negotiate a deal which will allow the Native Americans to remain on the planet, telling their leader, "...I suspect that you will find that if you leave us alone, we will leave you alone..." (HAH!)
Now, it should be noted that Eveck tells Picard something along the lines of "Well, I should be able to convince Command that this is a good idea" and not "I WILL be able..." So maybe Command didn't think it was such a great idea ...
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Them was probably some seriously dead indians once the Cardassians and Dominion hooked up. I doubt Gul Evek donned his Lone ranger mask and rode to their rescue.... Funny as that might be to envision.
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Gul Eveck was dead for a couple of years by the time the Dominion moved into Cardassia - he was the commander of the ship pursuing Chakotay's Maquis raider in "Caretaker."
quote:Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay: Gul Eveck was dead for a couple of years by the time the Dominion moved into Cardassia - he was the commander of the ship pursuing Chakotay's Maquis raider in "Caretaker."
That ship was not destroyed (according to dialogue in Caretaker, anyway).
...although a zombie cardassian Gul in a Lone Ranger costume commanding a silvery-white warship is kinda houmorous.....
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