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Pfft, cocaine's not a reason to fire an actress, especially when the writers use it to get inspiration for scripts.
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quote:Not to defend "Voyager" or anything, but the episodes in question were set more than two years apart. In an era of replicators and such, I think they could probably rebuild a bridge and some buildings within that time.
True, but the scene was *exactly* the same...you would think that there'd be a little difference in structure, even after a rebuild.
On another note, the Kazon were originally conceived as space pirates. That would have been significantly more interesting than the faux-Klingons we actually got.
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Plus, what ever happened to the Vaudwaar. I mean the ending of Dragon's Teeth left open the potential for them to be recurring baddies, but unfortunately that idea never materialized.
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Just like the tension between the Maquis and the Starfleet crew.
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They didn't have enough replicator power to feed the entire crew, yet they had enough replicator power to repair the ship week after week?
Voyager's first fault was not working within the confines the writers established with the first episode. Stranded from home with no chance of relief or resupply.
One of the overriding themes of Voyager should have been reduce, reuse and recycle. Except for a few stray lines here and there, the crew never did any of this. Everything was as if they were in the Alpha Quadrant.
That ship should have at the least looked scarred and battered after 7 years and 70,000 light years. At the most there should have been major structural differences and "after-market" components added.
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The last being technically and financially unfeasible at the time.
And also, who in the world cares? I am coming off, I think, as pretty pro-Voyager, I think, and I'm not, really, but any complaint that isn't story-related strikes me as being, well, unsatisfying. Had there been stories about the ship being battered and worn down, I don't think not having the FX to back it up would matter, particularly.
I don't know. We should have some sort of Giant Nerd Star Trek Retrospective.
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Oh, and speaking of season 7 of Voyager...What's that, Natural Law, where there are pretty obvious stand-ins for native Americans stuck behind a forcefield? Protected from the advanced beings who occupy the planet - protected from the ravages of modern medicine, the horror of infinite food, the danger of serene coexistence? I mean OK, maybe they want to retain their tribal culture - but did Seven or Chakotay (or the people who *set up the damn field in the first place*) even ask them?!? The show 'reads' ('watches' would be appropriate but sounds funny...) like it was written by a Luddite who thought everyone just automatically wanted to live in freezing-cold conditions with no food or medicine or scientific knowledge. Dude, maybe those poor guys would love to move in with their starfaring neighbors. But they can't now, can they?
And yeah, I just read the DITL review and it sounds almost exactly like what I'm saying...apparently I'm not the only one who feels that way lol
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OK, so it looks like this thread is turning out to be "Let's all pick a random point from each episode to preach to the choir about how bad Voyager was." Hey, I'm even guilty of it. But like Sol said, what are we really accomplishing here? If we want to have a civilized discussion about the show, fine. But we can leave the nitpicking to Phil Farrand.
Here's my civilized take:
Voyager's premise was a good one: Take a Starfleet ship and transfer it so far away from the known Trek galaxy that the show would take place in a universe far different than what we've heretofore been used to in Trek shows, while at the same time having that said crew have to make sacrifices and decisions that would possibly bring out the ugliness in the previously "perfect" 24th century man. There'd be no Klingons, Romulans, Federation, etc. A totally blank state to work with.
With me so far? Good.
The first few seasons of the show were not bad, although it was obvious TPTB were still trying to figure out where it was going. The most annoying thing about the show was Ethan Phillips. But the characters were being developed pretty well, especially Chakotay, whose spirituality was a unique change for the ST universe. It almost seemed that the the idea was that the use of superior technology would be abandoned in favor of a spiritual way of solving problems (at least to me).
Then after the third season, almost everyone responsible for the creation of the show left, and for the rest of the series, the show went to shit. The "lost" premise was essentially dropped (to the point that Janeway would introduce herself to an alien as captain of the Federation starship Voyager, and said alien would act as if he knew what she was talking about. Shouldn't he have retorted with something of the likes of "Huh? What Federation? What the hell are you talking about, lady?") Character development dropped to zero, except for 7 of 9 and the stupid Paris/Torres marriage. Then came the Beebs, the Borg, big boobs, and Barclay/Troi, and that was the end of that...
Oh, drat, I've become uncivilized again.
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Voyager tends to do that to people, I've noticed.
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They can fix those continuty gripes when they get around to doing Voyager-Remastered...
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Or just generally a naked Jeri Ryan next to every episode. It could be a split-screen affair where you choose which side you want to watch.
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Enduring Voyager just for a naked Jeri Ryan is inefficient. They should just distribute videos of Jeri Ryan naked.
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Shouldn't he have retorted with something of the likes of "Huh? What Federation? What the hell are you talking about, lady?") Character development dropped to zero, except for 7 of 9 and the stupid Paris/Torres marriage. Then came the Beebs, the Borg, big boobs, and Barclay/Troi, and that was the end of that... 
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