Actually, that's a very interesting comment you just made, Vogon. I didn't really think about it until you said it, but you're absolutely right. There have been several instances of this show not being true to TOS but rather to the later shows (and no, I'm not going to list them because everyone already knows what I'm talking about).
It's almost starting to look like that five-year mission never really happened (hmmm...can anyone say "Animated Trek"?)
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Eaves wasn't lazy, he was criminally unoriginal.
As for the blue glow, we never did see E-nil actually gowing from impulse to warp, at least not an external shot of the nacelles. I take it that the indentations on the inside of either nacelle was where the blue flash would come from had we ever seen it.
In the later series though, like the DS9 battle sequences, we did see Excelsiors and Mirandas (Excelsiors I'm positive, Mirandas I'm 90% sure) with the blue glow at impulse.
Do ships use warp bubbles to maneuver at impulse? Does that make any sense or is it a stupid question?
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Obviously, the Mirandas and Excelsiors in TNG and DS9 were refurbished with new engines to keep up with technology. I wouldn't be surprised.
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Just what is so WRONG with this design? Who is the keeper of the sacred grail of starship continuity, that says that: 1- catamaran starships do not predate TOS. 2- some starships have baffles which conceal/recycle the "blue energy glow" and some don't.
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Regarding the "glow" on the warp nacelles...
In ST:TMP the E-Nil refit had a bluish glow on the inside grills of the nacelles whenever the ship went to warp (watch the last shot of the ship at the end of the film...the grilles are black until just an instant before she goes to warp...they turn on and ZOW!).
As to the E-D, Andy Probert told me he never intended the engines to glow all the time, only at warp. That's why the grilles were painted copperish (which you never really see because they're always glowing). But the FX people just shot the ship that way cause they liked the way it looks. He described that having the grilles glowing at sub-warp speed as as stupid as "having an F-16 on the tarmack with its wheels chocked and the afterburner on."
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This really started with the Excelsior, but I'm getting pretty sick of it. Look at the texture on the top of the saucer just forward of the bridge. Notice how tiny those planels are. Some are smaller than the portholes. No one would build a ship out of 3x3 foot panels. It's a stupid and clumsy attempt to establish scale, and it's inconsistent with the much larger "Aztec" patterns surrounding.
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Eric: The old ships didn't have a blue glow because the nacelles were completely contained. There was no way for the light to get from the inside to the outside. It was there, but you couldn't see it. It's like putting your hand over a flashlight and wondering why there's no light coming out of it.
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