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Treknophyle
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One of the things I disliked the most about TNG was it's tendency to have the Enterprise going to already known worlds - rather than out there exploring, finding new civilizations.

I LOVED it when Picard nailed it by saying "...remember when we were explorers?".

That is what I loved about TOS - the exploration of the Final Frontier. And that is why I forgave Voyager its many foilables - at least I knew we were exploring.

Well, that is what the NX-01 will be doing - Boldly going where no man has gone before. Literally, since by the prefix NX this ship is a prototype. And yes, we'll get some war arcs - exploration sometimes means meeting people who don't like you.

But at least we'll be going out there again.

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Lee
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Where no ONE has ever gone before. NOT "where no man has ever gone before." No-one's ever said "no man."

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The359
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uh, they said MAN all the time in the opening of TOS...

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Treknophyle
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And this is pre-TOS.

I know it's not PC - but those were the original, awe-inspiring words.

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Fabrux
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"To boldy go when no one has gone before... They boldy go where no one's been and there's someone waiting there for them!"

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Aethelwer
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Besides, "man" originally meant "person," the gender-specific thing came later, damn the French, etc.
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Treknophyle
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Yup. However, PC-motto or not, the intention of this thread was to state that the franchise MAY finally get back on the right track.

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Omega
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Personally, I'd like to know who, in the Trek universe, changed the phrase from Cochrane's immortal words to the more politically correct version. Who could possibly have such an all-consuming ego...

Oh, wait. It was Kirk. Never mind, then.

Which was the first Enterprise that had the word "one" instead of "man"?

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Siegfried
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I think Kirk made this change in the ending of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country when he started his log after telling Chekov to set a course for the second star to the right and straight on 'til morning. In it, Kirk to boldly go where no man -- where no one -- has gone before. In reality, that was 1991. In 1987, TnG started with Picard going "no one."
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Matrix
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Actually Pre-Enterprise will be 'discovering' already discovered species that we see later. Only the ones we don't see will be discovered.

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Lee
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Well, my point was, what has TOS got to do with Enterprise? 8)

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OnToMars
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Matrix, forgive me but - where in the hell did that signature come from?

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PsyLiam
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Although the ending of ST VI had two meanings. First, it was the link to TNG, with "no man" changing to "no one", but the second reason was that it tied into what the film was about. "Man" in that sense wasn't implying "male", it was implying "human". With the Klingons now friends (or future friends), and Starfleet no longer being a homo-sapiens only club (apologies to Spock), it was time for everyone to boldy go together, and not just the humans.

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OnToMars
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*agrees with PsyLiam*

God, ST:VI is such a great movie. I watched it twice in the last three days - just cuz its such an awesome fucking movie. I won't go into the particulars now, cause it would be a much longer post than I feel like writing, but that movie works on so many levels from home grown Star Trek adventure (save the galaxy - AGAIN!) to current/historic events to literary allusion.

I'd like to think that the no man/no one change was a personal growth for Kirk due to the events of the movie and then perhaps Harriman picked it up adoring Kirk as an idol such as he did. Then there was Garrett and it was obvious what version she was going to go w/.

Question is, if that's a line from the Federation Charter, did they change it in the charter too?

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PsyLiam
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I'd say that the big-wigs back home were listening to Kirk's final log, burst out crying, and said "ooh, that's sad. There will be no more original series films...er...adventures. Or something. Er, let's change the charter! Cause, like, Kirk's cool. And he did stuff."

"Word."

"Right on."

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