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[i]In "Amok Time", what if Spock had headed back to Vulcan, only to have his fianc�e say "Oh, sorry, I don't hit my next pon farr for six months. Could you just hold that thought...?"?]/i]
That's where the telepathic bonding came into play.
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I was going to suggest that at marriage, the pon farr cycles of the men and women could be synched together since they are telepathically linked. Since we hear over and over again that males go through pon farr every seven years, I'd say that it's possible for the women to adjust their cycle times (not to mention that it'd make them a bit more alien to us).
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I'd have no problem with discovering that Vulcan females also have a pon farr-esque mating cycle. After all, Belanna went through pon farr after Vorik got her all crazy in "Blood Fever". What would bother me, though, is if a bunch of information was revealed about it. Doctors in the TOS era and even in the TNG era know virtually nothing about pon farr. To have it be an issue this early on wouldn't be good.
If it's something that is kept strictly between T'Pol, Archer and Phlox...maybe.
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Eeesh .. i don't wanna get into a battle of sexes here... heheheh.
I think the one thing that we should learn from the differences between Spock and T'Pol is that:
Spock had a greater Tolerance for Human 'Weaknesses'. T'Pol has yet to find that tolerance.
And yes... Vulcans live longer... but they evolve at the same rate, I think.
Even Tuvok was a passionate Vulcan ...
Let's look at it this way.
Take Two Rooms. In one room, you have 20 Vulcans. In the other, you have 10 Vulcans and 10 Humans. Leave them all in that room for 1 week.
After that week, which vulcans do you think are going to be more tolerant. Which vulcans do you think will have the formula to adjust their logic to deal with the emotions of a human?
Up until now, in the Enterprise Time-Line, Vulcan have, shall we say, less experience with dealing with Human Behavior then their Post-Masters. So in a sense, Spock WOULD seem more logical and less frustrated or 'displeased' with living among them.
T'Pol does not have the benefit of that experience .. and she's learning as she goes..
I'm not sure if I've explained my point very clearly - someone help me out here..
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I'd be willing to bet that T'Pol's "condition" would be kept confidential. After all, they did keep Tucker's "condition" a secret until the Klingons forced their hand. When Spock entered pon farr in "Amok Time," I don't think the rest of the crew was ever told the truth about the sidetrip to Vulcan.
On the other hand, The Original Series seemed to imply that Spock was one of the few Vulcans in Starfleet. It's possible that McCoy had little treating or dealing with Vulcans at that point in his career. It's also possible that McCoy may have exhibited the same bitterness towards Vulcans that the navigator in "Corbomite Manuever" and the doctor in "Galileo Seven" did. It was only after working with Spock and warming up to him that he decided to brush up on Vulcan physiology. This could be why McCoy didn't know enough to help Spock in "Amok Time" but did to save Sarek in "Journey to Babel."
I see now that Alshrim slipped in a post as I was posting. Shame on you! Actually, what you say makes sense. Vulcans, and T'Pol in particular, seems to have little experience in dealing with humans. On Earth, she admitted to never leaving the Vulcan Compound. She also admitted that wanted nothing more than to leave Enterprise at the end of "Broken Bow"s mission. Now, she's having to deal with a species she already sees as human but has to work and live alongside the irrational, illogic, and emotional humans. Her tolerance level is going to be fairly low at this point.
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It would also seem logical that the Vulcans are a very private race and would not readily discuss their conditions unless there was a logical need to do so. And even then once in Pon Far their logic seems to fail them and they become irrational, then they also would not readily discuss their condition. At this early stage it seem that neither race fully trusts the other so it would make discussion of the condition even more unlikely.
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If T'Pol does have pon farr during this first season of Enterprise, I have a feeling it will be during sweeps...
And I do agree on the fact that since the TNG-era still had no real info on pon farr that Enterprise should know even less.
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I think I understand what you are saying, Alshrim, but do you hold out any hope for the actress playing T'Pol to convey a quiet, gradual, subtle evolution? As I said before, I just cannot help feel that she is trying to play the type of Vulcan we all know and love, but her acting ability only allows her to mimic that Vulcan engineer on "Voyager," and that Vulcan Captain on "Deep Space Nine."
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Believe it or not, I believe she will. I've been, personally, impressed with the way she's been doing things. I think she's doing exactly what she's being told to do.
Taking what I've said above for granted .. if that is what is happening, then she's playing the part exactly the way she should.
Again - It's just my opinion ... I respectfully reserve the right to be wrong.
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I too feel almost positive that she'll lighten up a bit after a while. You can't keep writing someone as a raving bitch and expect fans to continue to care about the character. Even Tuvok occastional had hi beakthroughs in humanity.
quote:On the other hand, The Original Series seemed to imply that Spock was one of the few Vulcans in Starfleet. It's possible that McCoy had little treating or dealing with Vulcans at that point in his career.
Hadn't doctor M'Benga worked in a Vulcan infirmary?
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There is reference to Doctor M'Benga working in a Vulcan infirmary, but I've always taken that to mean that he was stationed planetside on Vulcan or a Vulcan colony. I'm going to have to rewatch the episodes to make certain.
As far as Jolene Blalock is concerned, I've been rather impressed with her and her characterization of T'Pol. I was hesitant at first because I felt that having a model act on a science-fiction show would be a disaster. But really, she's been doing a fairly good job. I think the writers and the directors play up the character's "bitchiness" a bit much, but I think it's being kept within reasonable limits (most of the time at least).
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There are definetely problems in the writing and acting. Where the percentages go, however, I cannot say.
The Vulcans have held the Surak philosophy for thousands of years by ENT/TOS/TNG. In two thousand years (not sure about the number), an entire race following a philosophy of uberlogic would find a pretty stable identity as a race.
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I think the Vulcan's racial identity is fairly stable. They've always seem to think of themselves as superior to humans; when can point to Spock and his continual commentary on the weakness of human emotions. A couple prime examples are his speech on the Genesis Project from The Wrath of Khan and remarks about V'Ger inheriting human emotions and having to now deal with them. The Original Series episodes frequently ended with a jab at humanity. Of course, I look at these particular examples as light-hearted bantering among friends.
The variation we've seen in attitude of the Vulcans towards humans I chock up to personality differences and exposure. Tuvok, Sarek, and Spock had extensive histories dealing with humans and that reflected quite well. We don't see a constant begrudging of humans from these three like we do with T'Pol. Ambassador Soval in "Broken Bow" seemed more at-ease and cordial with the Starfleet brass than his two aides. He supposedly had been on Earth for a fairly long time.
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Eeesh .. i don't wanna get into a battle of sexes here... heheheh.
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