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Everyone remember when Kirk was agonizing about this dangerous decision in TMP? Well then... Why did Archer take his ship to warp less than a minute after leaving spacedock on thrusters?!
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'Cuz Archer is one bad mothafuc...Shut your mouth! I'm only talkin bout Archer. I can dig it.
Bad writing. Personally, bad writing on the part of TMP. I'm perfectly happy ignoring the thing, and moving on with more pressing issues But then again, I've been taking a more and more liberal approach to weaving everything together.
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quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Everyone remember when Kirk was agonizing about this dangerous decision in TMP? Well then... Why did Archer take his ship to warp less than a minute after leaving spacedock on thrusters?!
I always assumed in TMP it was because the engines were new and completely untested, and Starfleet prefers such tests to be done a wee ways out.
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Could also be that noone knew of the dangers during Archer's day. Maybe it had never happened before. But, yah...I always assumed it was due to the kind of engines the Enterprise in TMP was using.
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BUt the real reason, of course, is that TMP came out in 1977 or whatever, and "Broken Bow" premiered in 2001. All in all, almost a quarter of a century went by between the two, enough time for TPTB to totally forget (or most likely, ignore and care less about) Kirk's throwaway line.
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I agree that the problem was w/ TMP. Ships go to warp inside stellar systems all the time. Every time a ship leaves orbit, they only impulse for a second or so, then warp out. Not nearly enough time to get clear of the entire system first.
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Kirk took his ship to warp straight out of orbit all the time in the original series. It was The Motion Picture that ignored precedent, not Enterprise--unless, of course, the engine imbalance was reponsible. That's highly likely, since by 2286 a rickety Klingon bird of prey went to warp from inside Earth's atmosphere!
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If I remember correctly, 'Redemption Pt. 2' ... Worf was serving aboard his brother's ship.
I was never clear if the solar flare which destroyed their two assailants was natural -- and it was just a coinidence that got them -- or if Kurn's BOP engaging the warp drive somehow triggered the flare.
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I think it was implied that the flare was caused by the BoP going to warp. That's probably why Kurn headed straight for the star and then immediately warped out.
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most likely there are different conditions in these situations.. Kirk could have been concerned about warp since 1) his engines had never been at warp before, and the most populated system in the Federation might not be the place to have something go wrong 2) he didnt feel they were clear of debris or astral bodies that could be bad for them if they hit them and 3)maybe where Kirk was in relation to gravimetric fields was dissimilar to where all the other times were
Considering that they DID have a big problem with the engines and they DID almost hit something it seemed justified. (they never addressed how much the wormhole affected other Sol System traffic.. i cant imagine theyd be happy with it)
And most of the other times there just wasnt a concern about ecological effect on the space and there werent any obstacles like asteroid belts or oort clouds that were big concerns.
Oh, and ST:IV.. warp in atmosphere? Crack smokers! WTF ??? i say we write that one off..
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