Doesn't the Enterprise encounter an assimilated Earth vessel in the Borg-episode?
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Interestingly enough, this version of spoilers doesn't say anything at all about the "arctic terrain" being on Earth. Rather, it makes it sound as if the Borg would be found on some other planet entirely, as the scientists have a warp-capable transport ship rather than a hovercraft or a submarine.
The official blurb-length synopsis mentions a team on Earth, though...
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The Borg are only as powerful as what they assimilate. An assimilated 22nd century transport would probably be no match for the NX-01. Witness "Drone", where the 29th century drone did some major ass-whoopin' to the 24th century ship.
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In fact, we really have no idea of what the Borg's overall power level will be like in the 22nd century. If you look at Q Who, there's a fair chance that the Enterprise could have destroyed that cube if they'd have kept firing. But then the Borg adapt, and become seemingly invincible. By the time of First Contact, Starfleet has managed to "adapt" back, as it's weapons are now damaging to the Borg shop. Just not much.
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quote:Originally posted by Topher: The Borg are only as powerful as what they assimilate. An assimilated 22nd century transport would probably be no match for the NX-01. Witness "Drone", where the 29th century drone did some major ass-whoopin' to the 24th century ship.
Witness "The Raven" (at least I think that was the eps), in which Seven steals a shuttle and overwhelms a small fleet of ships.
It's not the size, it's how you use it.
And these are 24th Century drones who have access to 24th Century technology. Ain't no Quantum torpedoes around.
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quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: In fact, we really have no idea of what the Borg's overall power level will be like in the 22nd century. If you look at Q Who, there's a fair chance that the Enterprise could have destroyed that cube if they'd have kept firing. But then the Borg adapt, and become seemingly invincible. By the time of First Contact, Starfleet has managed to "adapt" back, as it's weapons are now damaging to the Borg shop. Just not much.
Possibly, but then wouldn't have First Contact been a pretty useles movie? If the Borg really were that weak in the 22nd century, then the Borg Queen contacting the Borg of the 21st to assimilate Earth early would have been pretty useless. They'd have to at least get by the Vulcans. At least if we assume 21st century Vulcan ships >= NX-01. Still Raven pushed back first contact with the Borg before TNG? Now this is going to push it back to the 22nd century? That means the Borg would be sitting around on their ass for over two centuries after learning about Earth before sending a cube our way. Unless the Borg in ENT don't get a chance to send back a signal.
Oh well.
I guess we'll find out, won't we?
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quote: That means the Borg would be sitting around on their ass for over two centuries after learning about Earth before sending a cube our way.
Actually I think Q caused the events of Q Who - and beyond. I don't believe the Borg would have worried about the Enterprise if it didn't just appear out of no where in a flash of light and then disappear the sameway a few hours later. That's tech I'm sure they'd want, except it's Q-tech. And The Borg probably don't "get" or "comprehend" something like the Q, so they keep thinking it's Fed tech.
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I doubt this is a popular opinion, but I really enjoyed the bit in "Q2" where Q the Younger got a bit of a chewing out from Q the Elder about conjuring up a few Borg cubes. "Don't taunt the Borg!" Why? Well, it seems to me that it would be just the opposite of what Andrew said. I have no doubt the Q could wipe them out if they wanted, but I also suspect that the Borg, to the extent they are aware of the Q, consider them as just another obstacle to surpass. In other words, I doubt there's anything like fear or respect there, and we know that the Q cultivate those things just as much as they do physical power.
Essentially, I guess I'm saying that the Borg probably can't be controlled by the Q in the sense that "smaller" entities can, short of destroying them completely, and that might bother the Q.
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quote:That means the Borg would be sitting around on their ass for over two centuries after learning about Earth before sending a cube our way. Unless the Borg in ENT don't get a chance to send back a signal.
Well, the Borg have been tooling around in UFP space well before BoBW ... the Federation and Romulan outposts in "The Neutral Zone"?
Also, the conduit techonology may be relatively new to the Borg. They may have only assimilated it recently. The Borg of the 22nd century might still be relying on regular warp engines.
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Or they might have had riper pickings in the 22nd century. Then they overharvested, ended up with nothing but pathetic second-rate civilizations left in the still-to-be-assimilated garden, and had to stoop to sending a Cube over to Earth to see if they could stomach this green civilization. The first few suspicious bites proved...
Well, what did they prove? That Earth was sour and tough to bite? That trying to bite Earth made Old McQ angry? That the best way to eat this one was piecemeal, to avoid chipping one's teeth? Or to let it rot in its own juices until it softened a bit?
It's an inherent property of the Borg to sit on their asses while an entire galaxy waits, either trembling or blissfully ignorant, for assimilation. If the Borg kept on moving, they'd have overrun everybody already. Apparently, they just have different work ethics...
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Or Borg of the 22nd century have a diffrent mantality entirely. Guinan seemed to think that the Federation might one day establish relations with the collective (many years un the future and if Q had'nt blown the whole thing)so mabye the collective has changed drastically in the past few hundred years. The closest Borg have to evolution is via assimilation: mabye they assimilated technology (Iconion or Preserver) for the Transwarp conduits and got a unexpected personality upgrade in the process.
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