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Mabye someday we'll get a complete version of Insurrection as a SE.
It was still far better than STII, V nad Generations IMHO. The story flows much better and visually, it was great to see on the bigscreen.
quote:He probably got the best dialogue anyone ever could out of the TNG crew.
Oh, I wouldnt say that: Shelby is a completely diffrent character in BOBW pt. II and Dr. Crusher's lines (and delivery) in pt.II are just...painful.
Picard urgently grabs Data's arm: "Sleeep...Data." Dr Crusher: He's exhausted!"
Calculon would be proud of her.
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Insurrection isn't particularly bad, in the sense that it's...you know, competant. Workmanlike. It's just so very, very boring.
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Well, if they had'nt chopped the starship fight scene to nothing......
Might've been nice if the VFX guys did'nt make the Son'a commndship fly backwards too...
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For those who didn't realize, Michael Piller wrote the first part of "The Best of Both Worlds" with the intention of leaving the staff and moving on to other projects, thus sticking his co-writers with the job of figuring out how to resolve the cliffhanger. Obviously, things turned out differently...
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I think there is just a slight difference, thematically, between having The Bad Guys™ threaten to assimilate Earth and Life As The Average Utopian Knows It™ and stranding The Good Guys™ in some bizarro alternate reality populated by blueskinned freakazoid alien overlords posing as nazi officers. But maybe that's just me.
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Well, it's got everyone wondering I guess. If he HAS dicked around with/sabotaged the whole thing buy leaving such an amibugous and baffling ending - he should be fired into the sun.
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TBoBW1 had already established what was going on. If someone else had written part 2, all they had to do was have the crew sneak onto the cube, rescue Picard, and do something to blow up the cube. Which is what Piller ended up writing anyway.
On the other hand, in the alien Nazi story, nothing has happened yet. Whoever would write the next episode has to write the whole story. Except for certain constraints: the ship is suddenly in the '30s/'40s and there are blue alien Nazis. That seems like a much more difficult responsibility than the second half of "The Best of Both Worlds", don't you think?
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Well, not necessarily. Since, as you say, almost anything could happen next, even within the bounds of quality. (Which is to say, I don't mean "almost anything could happen next" to be a veiled insult of some kind.) Finishing a more established plot presents its own set of problems, but I wouldn't say they are more or less difficult, really.
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*is still waiting for Sol’s Braga apologia* (because I more or less agree with TSN and want to see what Sol says)
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I'm with TSN. "TBoBW1" and "Zero Hour" are two very different forms of cliffhangers.
There were almost defined questions at the end of "TBoBWs" of what might happen. The way "Zero Hour" played out, sans the blue Nazi thing, it would have made for a better premiere than a finale, especially had they instead made "Countdown" the finale (with some retooling of course). "Countdown", at least, left you wondering how or if they were going to stop the 'weapon'...muchmore of the suspenseful "TBoBW" element to it than "Zero Hour" had.
"TBoBWs" was set up so much differently...with the cliffhanger leaving you wondering if Locutus will lead the Borg to defeating the Federation or will the deflector weapon work when the Enterprise fires it at the beginning of next season? Suspense, not confusion.
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Oh, I agree about the "suspense, not confusion" issue. I was just pointing out the similarities in writing a cliffhanger and then sticking someone else with the job of writing the conclusion.
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Well, I don't know about that. No doubt that the Earth would somehow wind up undestroyed eventually, sure. But blowing up Earth only to have it be more crazy (and temporary) time travel/parallel universe fun to be resolved in the season premiere did not seem like an impossibility to me. (Though, to be fair, I didn't really expect that to happen.)
Re: Braga: I really need Tom here to back me up, but, in short: The only Star Trek writer willing to indulge in weirdness for weirdness' sake, in what has been otherwise a talented but fairly stolid writing staff over the years. Now when you work like that not all of your efforts are going to succeed, but the effort itself is valuable, in my opinion.
He was also the closest thing Star Trek has had to a writer with punk sensabilites, and I tend to respect that. (OK, so a pretty tame kind of punk, but come on.)
I have less to say about Braga as an executive producer, but to be honest I haven't seen many of his critics (including myself) display much knowledge of what an executive producer can really do or not do on something like Star Trek. Is he really responsible for the general lacklusterness of Voyager? Well, maybe. Personally I liked the last few seasons a lot more than the first, overall, but it was still a terribly underwhelming show. So I don't know. I don't think Enterprise has most of Voyager's problems (though it does seem to have a few), so make of that what you will.
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Something to consider when thinking about what they'll do with the cliffhanger ending of season 3.
When asked if they knew who the mystery dude from the future was who was engineering the Suliban part of the temporal cold war was, the producers replied we have some very promising ideas or something along those lines.
Take that information any way you want.
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