"In the second half of the season, you can expect this: Stories that take place on Andoria, a Klingon moon, Romulan outposts, Romulan Marauders, Orion Privateers, Earth's Moon, Mars, a Constitution-class Federation starship and more."
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Uh, maybe the Defiant? (the one lost in Tholian space, though they should have done that two years ago)
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From Trekweb , heavy Spoilers for "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part 1 and 2":
The nineteenth episode of STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE's fourth season will continue the story begun with "In a Mirror, Darkly," and create another link between ENTERPRISE and the original STAR TREK series. In Part I (as previously reported), a Mirror Universe adventure unfolds when we glimpse the moment of first contact with Vulcans taking a vicious turn, entirely different from the history we've seen in the feature film FIRST CONTACT.
In part two of the story, we encounter a mirror version of our NX-01 crew. Archer doesn't have a command of his own in this universe, but together with his fellow cruel shipmates, he captures a vessel known as the "Defiant" -- the Federation starship lost in "The Tholian Web", quite possibly. In the famous TOS episode, the U.S.S. Defiant disappears into "interspace" after phasing between dimensions for a few hours. Coto mentioned earlier today (story) that a "1701-class Federation starship" would make an appearance this season, and this episode will likely involve replicas of classic TOS sets.
Mayweather and Archer torture an alien prisoner to gain information about the location of a stowaway -- a Gorn -- before later meeting up with another Empire starship, the Avenger. Commanded by an 'Admiral Black', the Avenger's science officer is a submissive 'Lieutenant Commander Soval'. After a firefight, Archer and the Defiant rendevezous with the Avenger, where Archer prods the admiral for a battlefield commission of his captured vessel. It seems the Enterprise in this universe was commanded by 'Captain Forrest', and their fate remains unknown at this time.
If this show doesn't get a fifth season, I'll be really pissed.
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I haven't watched any episodes of Enterprise this season (due to technical issues, not out of a lack of desire), and judging just from descriptions it does feel a little like the show has swung kind of far in the direction of references trumping plots.
But again, that's just a vague impression based on second- and third-hand information.
I hope that, if Enterprise does get cancelled after this season, they let the producers know early enough to allow for a neat ending arc.
I am all about episodes on the Moon and Mars, though. (And though I hesitate to admit to reading it, that Federation novel featured a research lab on Titan, and now we've got all sorts of images to photoshop into the background. . .)
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"Admiral Black?" Why not just have Archer's erstwhile commanding officer be Captain Scarlet while they're at it?
This sounds a little dubious to me. A two-parter? I realise that many of the DS9 Mirror Universe eps seemed a little rushed - "Ooops, we're in the Mirror Universe. Whoops, we've escaped. Phew!" - but I'm not sure the concept can sustain 90 minutes (or rather, about 84 these days) of interesting drama.
Plus, what else happens in the first part beyond what's already been revealed, in which the Montanans murder the Vulcans and nick their ship and technology (or something)? I wonder if they'll get the guy played that Vulcan back. . ? Or Cochrane?
Also, I wish they'd nail it down one way or the other, regarding the origin of the Mirror Universe. Is it down to one thing that happened differently - such as, say, the locals not being in the mood to receive alien visitors right now, thank you very much - or is it ultimately like the theory in that Diane Duane novel which suggested that human nature itself is findamentally corrupted in some way in that universe? Will the Borg attack have happened in this timeline? Did an evil Enterprise-E crew come back in time to stop the Borg? Would the Borg be nice in the Mirror Universe? WE ARE THE BORG. RESISTANCE IS FRIGHTFULLY RUDE, WOULDN'T YOU SAY?
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Hmmmm Mirror Universe Borg!! Interesting - they go around REBUILDING civilisations and lending technology to anyone who needs it! Actually that makes Starfleet and the Federation sound like a sort of Mirror Universe Borg... Where there are lots of different species on one ship... the ships are not geometric shapes... everyone is individual and there is no collective consciousness. It's also presided over by a large cow-man not a sultry fem-bot!
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quote:Originally posted by Lee: Is it down to one thing that happened differently - such as, say, the locals not being in the mood to receive alien visitors right now, thank you very much - or is it ultimately like the theory in that Diane Duane novel which suggested that human nature itself is findamentally corrupted in some way in that universe?
DS9's mirror universe would seem to indicate the former, since the humans met during that show seemed generally good (if all rebel and such). Of course, that means that Sulu and Chekov were such bastards purely because of upbringing, which makes the nature-nurture debate fairly easy to solve in that universe.
And wouldn't it be more like "WE ARE THE BORG, RESISTANCE IS A-OKAY BY US!"? I'd make a French joke, but that's been done to death these days.
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quote:Originally posted by Lee: Will the Borg attack have happened in this timeline? Did an evil Enterprise-E crew come back in time to stop the Borg?
I'm guessing the Borg attack didn't happen. By the TNG era, the Terran Empire had fallen and humans were now slaves. Earth probably wasn't high on the Borg's list of planets to assimilate. Cochrane probably launched the Phoenix without problems.
That raises an interesting question, though. Is the Mirror Universe simply one in which the Borg and Enterprise-E did not go back in time?
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I realise answering my next question will require the services of someone who a) will admit to having read the Shatner books, b) actually finished them, and c) was paying attention throughout, but wasn't there some suggestion of one event tied to First Contact that might have created the Mirror Universe? Something about a Lake Riker on the moon, or whatever. However, I doubt whatever it was will be referenced in the upcoming eps. That'd be going to far for Coto. . .
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I admit it, I read some of the Shatner novels too. If I recall the moment of divergence between "our" universe and the mirror universe was down to the flip of a coin (quantum mechanics at work presumably) on the part of Cochrane deciding if he should warn the Vulcans about the Borg or keep it quiet. The result is two quantum realities, one where the Terran/Vulcan alliance gear up for an onslaught from the Borg centuries ahead of time and become the goatee wearing evil people we all know and love. While the novels are pretty poor (but so are most trek novels I've read), this concept isn't the worst theory I've ever heard.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the writers on Enterprise come up with although I'm reasonable comfortable that it'll somehow involve the Borg attack, or the absence thereof.
As for the thing with the Defiant, it all seams rather fun, which lets be honest, is all these "Mirror" episodes have ever been good for. I'm sure the actors will have a laugh playing something different for a change. Indeed the DS9 actors seamed to have a ball killing each other left right and centre. And why not have a laugh? This may be the last trek show/season ever, so they might as well have a little fun while it lasts.
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And their finally doing the ENT meets TOS technology I've always been hoping for. I wonder how if the Defiant will be a 100% copy of the Enterprise. Can they really make TOS-sets (and presumably uniforms) look more advanced than the (mirror) NX-01?
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I don't know if they could leave the sets looking as they did in the original series - they might have to take a little artistic license and update a little. DS9 got away with it in "Trials and Tribble-ations" because it was a self-referential episode that was basically a knowing wink to the fans - for an episode that is trying to take a darker tone I think the disparity between the NX-01's advanced sets and the relative simplicity of the Defiant would be too jarring...
Incidentally I agree with sounding a slight note of caution on Enterprise seeking to tie up with plot notes on the original series all the time. There is surely a balance that can be struck between purely original episodes set in the Enterprise time frame and episodes that tie into, or refer to, plot elements from other series. Part of the problem of the SNW anthologies as far as I'm concerned is that most of the authors seem to think you can't write a story without tying it into an episode or movie in some way...the most striking example of which was a short story that dealt with Miral Paris and the events of Endgame which left me thinking "30 minutes of my life I will never ever get back!" :-)
If (and I say if) the Defiant features then I would be interested to see how they dress the sets...perhaps they could cover any changes by explaining them away as ones Archer and his crew have made since they took the ship over?
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Actually that makes Starfleet and the Federation sound like a sort of Mirror Universe Borg... Where there are lots of different species on one ship... the ships are not geometric shapes... everyone is individual and there is no collective consciousness. It's also presided over by a large cow-man not a sultry fem-bot! ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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