"In the long run, most people don't want or expect new stories to be exactly the same as existing stories."
I don't think anyone's complaining about the stories, since we haven't seen those yet. It's the sets and costumes that are at issue.
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I also don't think anyone's calling for equalling the production value of 1960s television. You can match the aesthetic without using the same materials.
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Anyone watching "American Gods"? I've tried and now I'm kinda glad Fuller jumped the boat. It's really tedious. Feels like an endless sequence of close up shots of whatever.
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Premiere date announced: 24 September
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So it seems that males have 5 shoulderstripes and females 4. Don't care much for these tiny stubbles on the insignia as rank indicator.
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On the one hand, they actually made the changes I'd hoped for: Connecting the nacelles to the pylons closer to the front, and changing the proportions of the secondary hull to the rest of the ship.
On the other hand, I really liked the original saucer. The new one is... okay. I don't hate it, but I've never understood the recent trend of putting hollow spaces in saucers.
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I second Krenim's opinions, based on the poster shots at least. The more I look at it, the more I like it. Its angular pylons and secondary hull still throw me off, but that's more because it's different from my preconceptions of that era's ships, not because it's a bad design.
The saucer gap is definitely odd. But heck, it could be justified as a mass-conserving measure or something.
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I don't mind the Bridge and Sensor Dome being in a sphere separated from the saucer. It could be a nice throwback to the Daedalus class. But I don't get why you would have windows in the inner saucer facing the outer ring. Your alternative to a wall is a window overlooking a wall. I do like how they added a protrusion to the deflector dish to make it look more period accurate, instead of the Enterprise Refit dish they had before.
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Yeek.
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It wouldn't reduce the mass, because now you have to bulk up the structure at the four skinny points, you've added a large surface area that must be covered in exterior hull, et cetera.
I mean, a certain adventurousness in design is something that we've seen among many races since TOS . . . the long-necked battlecruiser, the Constitution nacelle pylons and slender neck, et cetera. Even the Vulcan cruisers in Enterprise with their warp rings secured only at the bottom were adventurously illogical, one would think. It gives a certain feel of tech advancement, stylistically . . . "we are SO more advanced than you" . . . just as the Probert-TNG featured all that curving and swooping in the somewhat bulkier designs. This was largely lost in the blockier late-TNG era's bulkier bulkiness, save for the unoriginal E-E, which was the result of a kinky one-night stand between Probert's A and D with sharp objects.
But then we come back to this. I don't mind a bridge dome as a dome-dome . . . that was neat on the shipbl teaser and I have dug that in other designs. But this ship is the epitome of blockiness, what with the rectangular nacelles and blocky triangle engineering hull. To then have this weirdness going on with the saucer is as irrationally incongruous as Church's sweeping Monsterprise secondary bits attached to a bigger, squatter, less graceful saucer.
In short, it fits perfectly amidst the crap that is Trek Moderne.
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Everything visually I've seen of this show so far makes me think that it would have worked better post-TUC instead of pre-TOS.
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Well, the obvious answer to that new saucer-design is that they wanted to show another ship similar to that design of the dreadnought in the new era movies. (yes, yes, kelvintimelina, bla bla..)
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