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The various series have provided information about the Academy.
The first series defined what our knowledge of the Academy is. Points (*) *(Speculation) Originally, the Academy is named the Tri-Planetary Academy. This is later changed to Starfleet Academy. "Where No Man Has Gone Before" *Academy has different colleges, representing the different career paths in Starfleet-Medical, Command, and Science. "Where No Man Has Gone Before" *Instructors are either civilians or Starfleet personnel. "Where No Man Has Gone Before", "The Patterns of Force" *Cadets of various ranks share classes. "Where No Man Has Gone Before" *Academy cadets are given the newest information. "What are Little Girls Made Of?" *Appointment at the Academy for a commissioned officer can be viewed as both a blessing and a curse. Blessing-teaching cadets. Curse-staying too long may hurt career. "Court Martial" *Cadets can be promoted in the Academy. rf. Kirk's career as matched to his years in the Academy *Cadets can be in Academy for four years. Five years if they have difficulty. "Bread and Circuses" *There is a drop-out rate in the Academy. "Bread and Circuses", "The Way to Eden" *Cadets are trained aboard starships and on planetary assignments. "Court Martial", "A Private Little War" *Cadets are offered deep space missions upon graduation. These missions may be explorations of the Outer Rim of the Federation. "Obsession" *Cadets visit the 'city' for recreation. "The Way to Eden" City is identified as San Francisco by ST III. *Cadets wear modified versions of preexisting uniforms of graduated officers and enlisted. "Shore Leave" *Cadets are sponsored by families or individuals. "The Apple"
These are some of the relevant points. The movies and later series gave more detailed information about the Academy and the number of Academies. Ex 1-An enlisted crew member took three years at the Academy, while an officer took four years. "The Drumhead" Ex 2-the Okudagrams in "Eye of the Beholder" list other Academies.
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When Bashir came aboard DS9, he was a "first year officer" according to the ambassador in "The Forsaken". Yet he had a rank of Lt. JG. and he was in his mid 20's. I would guess that he graduated the Academy with a specialty in Medicine and received the rank of Ensign. He then went to Starfleet Medical School which probably involved medical training as well as further SF training and graduated from there with the rank of Lt. J.G.
However, he apparently alos had the opportunity to pursue a civilian medical career at that point as he said in "Armegeddon Game". Doesn't make alot of sense for SF to spend 6 to 8 years training a doctor without some kind of committment for at least some length of service.
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Who's to say that student life (or cadet life) won't be the same as it is now? I prefer the one at the moment.
13:00 Wake up with a massive headache 13:01 Open a can of lager and drink whilst watching Trisha or some other crap talk show 13:30 Skip lecture because there's some fit bird on the telly 14:00 Shower 14:15 Breakfast whilst simultaneously changing into your clothes 14:20 Drive into uni for the last lecture of the day 14:30 Lecture starts 14:35 Fall asleep 15:30 Lecture ends 15:35 Order first drink at the bar 15:50 Order next drink.........until 18:00 18:00 Go home 18:10 Make yourself a sandwich, eat and watch TV 20:00 The Weakest Link comes on, you're put off by the hairs all over Anne Robinson's face, so you decide that going clubbing would be better 20:30 Go to mates house, drag them out and go into town. 21:00 Order drinks in the first bar 22:00 Move on to the next bar and order drinks 23:00 Go to a club and order more drinks continuously 01:30 You see a gorgeous blonde and decide that you're going back to her place.
01:45-07:00 Total blur
07:00 Wake up and realise the gorgeous blonde isn't as gorgeous and blonde as you thought she was the night before 07:30 Get dressed and go home 08:00 Go to bed and back to sleep.
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Yeah, but by all accounts that's what Picard used to do, and look how HE turned out. Bald, for starters.
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It would, IMHO, make sense for Starfleet to have the following basic schools at the Academy:
Engineering Medical Science Security Operations
A Command School might be seperate from the Academy itself ... mayhaps an individual can't pick "Command" as a major, but must be nominated to such a line of work? Are good captains born or made?
This would/might explain why Data has been at Ops for fourteen or so years ... no-one has yet nominated him for Command School, and without that, he can never achieve the permenant post of XO?
Just a theory.
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One would think that if Data is unqualified for a permanent XO position, he wouldn't have gotten the red shirt in "Chain of Command" or "Gambit" even temporarily aboard a ship as huge as the E-D, with hundreds of officers to choose from...
I agree there is merit to saying that Command School is a separate course taken after other studies. This could be why we saw already-commissioned officers as "trainees" in ST2 - they had graduated from the Academy and were immediately entering Command School.
Kirk's backstory may or may not indicate he got a commission before graduation; again, more freedom of interpretation would be offered if Kirk graduated first, and entered Command School afterwards.
I guess the standard system is that you have to take Command School almost immediately after Academy, or then never. Some career-minded cadets can probably take it before graduation, even. But it might also be that one can enter CS later in one's career - perhaps Beverly Crusher did so between now and the (2390s?) future in the "All Good Things..." timeline, to earn a red shirt? It defies credibility for her to get captain's shirt just by taking those shipboard courses that enabled her and Troi to stand bridge watches and whatnot, but she would easily have had time to go to a multi-year CS in that timeline.
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In the modern day US Navy, as well as in Starfleet (Janeway's line in "Parallax") Command School is something that command division officers take who are about to take command of a ship, or who are on the road to taking command, IIRC.
I don't think that all red shirts have to enroll in command school, but they do if they ever want a command of their own.
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Just to clarify - unless I'm wrong! - Data wore a red shirt in "Chain of Command" but not "Gambit;" instead, you may be thinking of "Future Imperfect" where he is the official First Officer.
Besdies, the whole Second Officer thing was never treated very consistently - while in "Gambit" he automatically took command despite being outranked by Crusher (and Troi?), in "Best of Both Worlds 2" he was given equal consideration to Worf for First Officer, but lost it anyway to Little Miss Career. And probably only because he was an android - do you think there wouldn't have been fallout if the Second Officer had been human? Like hell there would be!
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Although Crusher and Troi may outrank Data, I don't think they've got a position within the actual chain of command ... Data outranks them by value of his position, if not his rank.
I don't know if I agree that officers must go to Command School directly after the Academy. I would imagine any officer could go to the Command School at almost any point in his/her/its career. I would imagine that if they haven't already, there is some point where their career is reviewed by a couple superior officers -- perhaps when they hit the Lt. Commander rank -- and a recomendation is made as to whether or not the officer would make a good commanding officer, and the offer to command school is offered from that.
There is sort of proof for this. I can't remember the ep name ("Gambit"?), but Picard and Riker are both kidnapped by "space pirates" (for lack of a better word). Data remains in command of the Enterprise and appoints Worf as First Officer -- completely skipping LaForge who is a Lt. Commander, opposed to Worf, who is still just a lieutenant. Perhaps Worf already qualified through Command School and LaForge had not yet? Obviously, if that one VOY ep portrays a semi-accurate future, LaForge will one day go to command school, but at this point he has not ...
IIRC, Shelby was selected over Data because Riker wanted someone as Executive Officer whom Picard couldn't anticipate -- in this case, that was Shelby. Besides, Riker also said that he needed the senior staff "where they were", and who better as Ops Manager than Data?
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Quite possibly another requisite for command is some college training. When you attent the Naval academy, your college experience counts towards your overall standing. For medical and engineering, people who have previous medical training (as McCoy may have gotten at Ole Miss) set their carreer paths, and their academy courses would be set accordingly.
Of course, those who would be in command would also have a cross training in other fields.
Or am I just way off?
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"Although Crusher and Troi may outrank Data, I don't think they've got a position within the actual chain of command ... Data outranks them by value of his position, if not his rank. "
Crusher and Troi would both be, in modern US Naval terms, "staff corps" officers and as such would not be legally able to command a ship - certainly not if a qualified "line" officer is available to do so. (I know Crusher later takes charge in Descent I/II, but Picard, as Captain, can do what he likes). In fact, as medical providers they would not (again today) be allowed to command a "warship" due to the Geneva conventions.
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And screwing that up, a season 7 episode whose name escape me releals that Crusher often takes bridge shifts.
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