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colin
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I place this thread here for my questions are of a general nature, and are not directed at Voyager in specific.

Location of Qo'Nos and, possibly, Voyager
Qo'Nos is located in the Beta Quadrant.
According to Captain Kohlar, the Klingon starship traveled 30,000 light years in one hundred years. This statement would tend to support the canonical maps which show a Klingon Empire in the upper left corner of the Beta Quadrant. Now, my question, does this statement place the planet Qo'Nos within 10,000 light years of the Beta-Gamma boundary? I am supposing that the Voyager is within 30,000 light years of this boundary.

History of Star Trek
According to Captain Janeway, the Federation-Klingon Empire have been at peace for eighty years. The accord that established this peace is the Khitomer Accords. Yet, this fact would seem to contradict the known history as depicted in TNG and DS9. How do we reconcile this fact with the other history?

Klingon Culture
For the colony to be viable, the Klingon adults would need to have more than one mate. Is there canonical evidence that suggests the Klingons were or are polygamous?

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Michael Dracon
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The ship has travelled 30,000 lightyears. Voyager still has about 30,000 lightyears to go. Surely we can do something constructive with this data...

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Surely she WOULD say they were at peace and had been for a long time - it's better than saying "well, we were at peace for 10 years, then there were a few minor border skirmishes which were soon cleared up, bit of a misunderstanding really, then things were OK for about 15 years - is that right, Tuvok? - when. . . we'd better sit down, this could take a while. . ."

Plus, she didn't know about the recent Federation-Klingon conflict. So what history does it contradict anyway?

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I was wondering. How could Janeway NOT know about the recent Klingon-Federation conflict. After all, Janeway has been in contact with starfleet for nearly a year or two now. Surely when the crew get their monthly news reports, among personal letters and so forth, they would have heard about the conflict.

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Well, she would have no reason to mention that fact, given that she knew the KLINGONS couldn't possibly know of it... An 80-yr peace sounds better than mention of a recent conflict. Of course, Janeway could have mentioned that the Feds and Klingons recently fought side by side in a big and victorious war, to win a few bonus points. But I think she might have been obligated to back that up with more details than she would have had to back up the vague 80-yr-peace statement. And not all of the details would have been flattering.

This 30,000 ly figure is probably rounded enough to be of little use. All it tells us is that the place Voyager calls "home" and the planet Qo'noS are roughly at the same distance from Voyager's current location. Since the rounding error with 30,000 ly could well be something like 5,000 ly either way, and since we don't even know if Voyager counts the distance to Earth or to the nearest UFP outpost, this tells us virtually nothing of the distance between Qo'noS and Earth, or their relative locations.

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Michael Dracon
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With the Equinox they were 35,000 lightyears away from home. Surely they are about 30,000 lightyears away, with an error of about a 1000 lightyears.

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Voyager doesn't necessarily know about the Federation-Klingon War of DS9 seasons 4 and 5. My guess is that a lot of the available "bandwidth" on the datastreams that they've sent were taken up by personal messages and more current technical and status reports.

Though you'd think that someone at Command might think to send a little history textbook to tell Voyager what they've been missing...

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Considering what happened just after the short war with the Klingons, I doubt it gets talked about much.

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Well Voyager obviously knows about the Klingon Alliance during the Doiminion War.
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I think there were actually two Khitomer Treaties. The one "80 years ago" is the one we saw being fleshed out in Star Trek 6. I think there was mention somewhere of another more recent Khitomer treaty though. Maybe it's in the Encyclopedia...

Now, here's my question: If the Klingons have been heading towards Voyager, A) Why didn't Janeway do a little more debriefing about what's up ahead, and B) It should be pretty smooth sailing if a 100 year old Klingon ship can make it through in tact.

Granted the Klingon ship did have a cloak and they would've been on a slightly different heading, but still...

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Er, there are the Second Khitomer Accords, yes.

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The Second Khitomer Accords were signed some time around 2346, I believe. It was the establishment of a full alliance, instead of just a peace treaty like the first one we saw in ST:6.

Though the treaties had to be multilateral in some manner too, not just between the Federation and the Klingons. Because there was the convention banning subspace weapons that are part of the 2nd Khitomer Accords, and I seem to recall some mention of the Seldonis Convention (regarding prisoners) also being related to the Accords.

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I'm not sure any date or purpose is given for the second accords, but from the way it's mentioned I get the feeling that it might not have much to do with UFP/Klingon relations, and a lot to do with just general quadrant politics.

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They fitted a colony ship with a then-rare cloaking device? *sigh*

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Hey, they fitted a *big D-7 battlecruiser* with the then-rare cloaking device! How this battlecruiser came to be used in a generation-ship role is the real mystery here. Perhaps the refugees stole it?

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