quote:It's going to have to be at least several decades in the future to allow for more TNG movies with the Ent E.
As did TNG leave several decades between the TOS time period. Why is this a problem?
quote:If it's too far in the future, we lose the sense of continuing story that has been established by having three overlapping series and there's this huge gap, just like between TOS and TNG.
Erm -- so? The Twenty-fourth century seems a bit crowded to me. Let's go on and find a new century. I'd enjoy "discovering" a new series.
quote:If it's an Ent-F and it's too close to our own timeline, we run into the possibility of knowing what happens to the TNG crew and ship before they're done making movies, not to mention the need for the movies to be written within the bounds of the new series continuity.
Well, we've already got hints of what they'll be doing. Geordi on the Challenger, etc, etc. TOS did fine writing flicks within the bounds of the new series continuity -- Star Trek VI was excellent.
quote:It's just TNG all over again. New Enterprise, new crew, SOS.
So don't you mean it's just TOS all over again?
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Ii think jeff is right, it would be a good idea to see some new stuff, new drive, new weapons, new designs, new uniforms. Perhaps they can experiment with organic cover on the outer hull to be able to resist enemy weapons. There is so many possibilities that you can have when you go to a new century, i think that when the change from 23rd to 24th century was made, not enough new tech was introduced. Also the old Enterprise travelled through time on a nearly daily basis, the new ships haven't done this too often. I think that aside from some minor problems it will be an excellent series, and in the end the benefits will outweigh the problems.
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MikeJonas, March 8 (original message, also contains Voyager spoilers):
quote: while I'm still claiming semi-retirement, I am still, on occasion, firing off "confirm/deny" e-mails to ye olde moles on Trek Row.
No confirmation/refutal of the casting sheet from my mole yet, but from what I gather it's far more than what many of the future relative-high-uppers on the Series 5 production crew have been made aware of. The people at Paramount are aware of the alleged casting sheet--whether they're laughing or quaking in their boots, I don't know. In my personal opinion, I'd quote the Romulan senator from DS9's "In the Pale Moonlight"...
I did find out that the Series 5 sets are far from built; the sound stages destined for Series 5 are still being used for Cameron Crowe's "Vanilla Sky," which should be done with their pickup shots wrapping up soon.
So, for what its worth, we won't be waiting for Voyager's wrap before they get the sets up.
One thing that I've been wondering about is if there's any logic at all to how they're announcing the production crew. Has Okuda been hired for some time now and only revealed by TPTB to give us a bit of fodder to chew on, or are these news releases coming as fast as Paramount's inking the contracts? The reason I ask is that I'd imagine Okuda'll probably have to have completed at least a month or two of work before the sets go up, considering he'll be very busy doing design work on all the computer shtuff. Zimmerman has probably been working on the show even further in advance.
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-As did TNG leave several decades between the TOS time period. Why is this a problem?-
It's not a problem, it just seems like it's been done before. We're just moving on to the another generation of Enterprise. Star Trek was originally about one ship. But it's moved beyond that. Going back doesn't seem right.
-TOS did fine writing flicks within the bounds of the new series continuity -- Star Trek VI was excellent.-
Well, it did alright, but there was only one movie. And TNG was set almost a century afterwords. Again, this isn't necessarily a problem, just somethig to watch out for.
-So don't you mean it's just TOS all over again?-
No, I mean TNG. In the sense that we're just jumping ahead again to a new generation of Enterprise. TNG was, in many ways, TOS all over again, but it worked because TOS had only a three year run and it was only the second series.
I think any variation COULD work, they just need to be careful not to invalidate the previous 4 series by just copying the uniqueness of one of them.
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quote:This morning I understand that the cast list is somewhat correct as to ages, genders and so forth but that the series actually takes place about a century after TNG.
And there will be more rumors... I just wish more of them were as entertaining as "Anthony Michael Hall".
Personally, I've no interest in a post-TNG Trek series that follows on from the current continuity. If they kick over the table in some way -- ala "Andromeda" -- I might be interested. But "The next, next, next, next generation" would be unworthy of my time.
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"Perhaps they can experiment with organic cover on the outer hull to be able to resist enemy weapons."
But what purpose would this serve? If the Defiant hadn't had ablative armour, would this have affected the stories in any way?
"i think that when the change from 23rd to 24th century was made, not enough new tech was introduced."
We got replicators, holodecks, being from places other than transporter pads on a regular basis, biofilters on the transporters, ickle communicators on badges, phaser strips, and Starfleet ships that can actually fire torpedoes backwards! What more did you want?
Besides, by and large TPTB hate introducing new tech. During TNG, they quickly discovered that the ship was so advanced, it made storytelling very hard. Remember how the Transporter could do anything in TOS? Or, for a TNG example, the biofilters were designed to keep any diseases from getting beamed up. Of course, than meant that they could do no "deadly plague" episodes, so the biofilters were made less efficient.
Or, to use DS9, the holocommunicator was hardly used, because (I guess), it was too hard to explain to the casual viewer. Since the picture didn't flicker (a la Star Wars communications), the casual viewer would think that the person was either there, or that he'd beamed over. Whereas showing them on a viewscreen makes it obvious that the person is in a different room/ship.
Basically, new tech would have to be carefully introduced, so that people can easily understand what it does, and that it was checked to make sure it didn't make the ship invincible.
And no, giving the ship tYPeXXIIII phaser-super-cannons wouldn't actually make any difference at all. The ships are as powerful as the the scripts write them (and their enemies ships).
"Also the old Enterprise travelled through time on a nearly daily basis, the new ships haven't done this too often."
One, I disagree, and two, thank god. Star Trek isn't about time travel, and time travel stories become old really easy.
But, for a comparison:
TOS Time Travel:
The Naked Time (a little) Tomorrow is Yeserday (properly) Metamorphasis (for the same arbitary reasons that I have included The Neutral Zone, below) Assignment: Earth All Our Yesterdays Star Trek IV
TNG had:
The Neutral Zone (of sorts. okay, suspended animation, but the same rules apply. People essentially came into the future) Time Squared Yesterday's Enterprise Future Imperfect (okay, not really. But I'm using it). Redemption (the Sela bit anyway. Sort of.) Cause and Effect Time's Arrow Timescape All Good Things Star Trek Generations (kind of) Star Trek First Contact.
And that's leaving off all the pseudo-time travel ones, like A Fistful of Data's, or Elementary, Dear Data, or Qpid. but still, both TOS and TNG have done used it a fair bit.
Wow. I had to look up some of those TNG titles. I'm losing my touch.
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Not what i meant about TOS, it's that they had that idea if they fly into the sun or something at a certain warp factor they could do travel thorough time. If so then how come any of the new ships(which can definitely do a higher warp) could never make use of that? And if there is no introduced technology then what can you guys talk about to completely weird me out and confuse me?
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Well, one problem with time travel being easy and accessible to all is that it completely destroys everything we know about the universe. Once you toss causality out the window, anything goes. Such a universe might make for an interesting show, but it wouldn't be Star Trek, simply because there would be no force capable of keeping things stable. Let's go back and kick Cochrane in the shins! Let's go back and kick those kickers! Let's etc ad infinitum!
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Because Starfleet took all that information and locked it up real tight and made sure that no one knows how to do it anymore.
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But that's the point. The world could be in a state of constant flux due to all the time travelers in the universe. And while that's pretty interesting to contemplate, it makes doing a series somewhat difficult.
Spelling reports that the program's sets have been constructed and casting will begin soon. In spite of the looming threat of a potential strike, plans are to try to get the program's two-hour opener and another episode done first.
Berman describes the coming series, saying, "It's closer in tone to TNG or the original series than either DS9 or Voyager. It takes place in a different time than any other Star Trek series to date. We'll have seven regular characters, five of them human, two of them not...We'll also have a kick-ass spaceship. I wish I could tell you more, but I can't."
Berman also explained that fresh voices have been brought in and will continue to be a part of the new series, saying, "What Brannon and I will be doing on Series V is trying to bring in as many new voices as we can, in terms of directors, new writers and new elements of design, whether it's costumes or makeup or sets or music...We are trying to put together a younger, less-experienced-in-Star Trek team of people to give this show a completely new feel and look. We want this to be not your father's Star Trek, so to speak."
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