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But surely that's a sign of TOS' (and I use the term without the negative connotation) primitiveness, as few (if any) shows of the era "wasted" time on smaller moments outside the main thrust of the plot.
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quote: Also, in Assignment: Earth, Kirk mentioned in his log that they were using their 'deflectors' to obscure Earth sensors of the day... how did they beam through then without being detected?
Oh and apart from being quite clever in inventing Duotronics etc. WTF did Daystrom get an institute named after him!?! WACKO! ;o)
There are deflector shieds, and deflectors for navigation. I think they can beam through the Navigation deflectors, and they would be enough to foil any late 60's sensor equipment.
Duotronics were a big thing in TOS. From the looks of Enterprise, they don't mean so much, since Daystrom hasn't been born yet, and the ship seems to be doing fine without him.
quote: Another question, I noticed in some episodes Sulu or Chekov or Uhura are missing - and at critical times... (not talking about real life here) but, why wouldn't they be on the Bridge then?? I doubt that they just sleep through some of the really important emergencies... that require their expertise?
Chekov wasn't in the show at all till season 2. Takei took some time off to work in a WWiII movie with John Wayne. Uhura was underused.
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That's SO true. In the last marathon (oh and by the way since I first posted that original post TV1 had for at least 2 weeks, been showing a Triple Trek each night from about 10:30 - yep it meant late nights - but again it was FANTASTIC! I really have fallen in LOVE with TOS (TV) - I've always loved TOS (movies))... in the last marathon and in the triple trek treats I had been keeping focus on Uhura - and I really loved when she got even one line. If it was one line it was truly worth it. More Uhura would have been nice, agreed.
Even when Uhura had NO lines, what she did on the bridge was fantastic - her expressions, her ACTING even as a 'sort-of' extra in some places was GREAT. I love where she turns around to look at whats-her-name who is speaking to Kirk in Mirror, Mirror. (Which was used - quite poigniantly in Trials and Tribblations.)
I can't imagine what it must have been like for young African-American girls AND boys - or any coloured person seeing Uhura on that bridge. I get so inspired - and I didn't even LIVE at that time - I can only imagine. (yes I know I started the paragraph saying I can't imagine)
Uhura inspires me... NOW! A white Australian living 35 years after these episodes.
I think TOS was special - or truely AMAZING (and a lot of people have to do what I did and sit through a whole lot of episodes back to back - where you eventually let your eye-for-effects and cheesy sets drop by the way-side and you can focus on the characters and stories) is that Star Trek had HEART. There was some SPARK there.
The character interaction was truely classic television.
I hate how on Enterprise - they are SO trying to make Archer, Trip, T'Pol their own Kirk, McCoy and Spock... at least in the first 6 episodes... I think Breaking the Ice may have changed that a little - I guess time will tell. I really noticed it after watching so much TOS recently - especially in the first six Enterprise episodes (we only saw Breaking the Ice here last night) - there was this continual Trip/T'Pol antagonism Trip going of his nut at her Vulcan ways, T'Pol cutting back with some ?snide? remark - Archer standing in the middle smiling and just trying not to get in their way. UGH - please I hope this changes - because we HAVE TOS, we don't need a poor copy of it.
At least TNG wasn't a carbon copy of TOS... I think they came close having Pulaski in there for a bit - with the whole Grouch/Android thing - but luckily even by the end of the season I think - that had dissipated.
I believe I remember hearing somewhere that GR asked the writer of "The Naked Time" to do a script for TNG, where the crew would have to refer to records of James T. Kirk's Enterprise.
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um.. yeah, he did. In fact, it was the same story retooled for the different characters. 'John D.F. Black' even received the actual writing credit for the TNG script
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Regarding the deflectors thing, I assumed that they just flipped them on and off really quickly, or perhaps beamed through the shields when they rephased/cycled/techified, as O'Brien did in the "Wounded". Even if they turned them off for 5 seconds, it would probably just register as a quick blip on any Earth sensors.
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Also, back in the day, shields weren't some integral bubble. They had four quadrants, any one (or more) of which could be raised and lowered independently of the others. In later movies and series, you have references still to the different shield quadrants losing power, or being compromised, but the ability to selectively activate and deactivate them seems to have gotten almost no support (except possibly "Relics" on TNG...). At least there hasn't been much to disprove the concept either.
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Although surely the same sheild part that would have to be lowered to allow transport would be the same quadrant blocking Earth sensors?
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Thanks, Psy. That was the part I forgot. GR, in creating the tech for the show, indicated the 'deflectors' were the navigational beams that keep debris from hitting the ship, while 'shields' were essentially an extra layer of the hull made out of energy to protect the ship from offensive fire. The two terms tend to get intermangled (no, that's not a typo) in later works, but as far as I can tell...
�Deflectors have two elements -- the active beams that sweep debris out of the ship's path, and nested bubble "shields" that take care of microscopic fluff (...and also dissipate lasers from planetary defense vessels...). The bubble deflector shields are fairly low-powered and constantly surround the ship -- weapons, transporters, and sensors have no trouble getting through them.
�Shields are the conformal energy barriers we see diagrams of on bridge displays in Star Trek II, III, V, and VI. These are much more dependent on the shield grids, and at least in movie times were organized into quadrants of coverage... plus probably wndows for sensors, weapons, and transporters to pass out form the ship.
Either could probably be tweaked to prevent detection by EM sensors like mid-20th-century Earth had, but I'm not sure which one the episode in question intended it to be. If it was the deflector bubble, then they could transport through without problem... and if it was the shields, the transporter window idea might work -- but I can't remember where that was first put forth, or how valid it might be...
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I think the two terms mutated into "Navigational shields" and "deflector shields".
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