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Well, from what Frank tells me, "Pathfinder" throws our assumption that Voyager travels at about 1000 ly/y. Instead, they go at Warp 6.2. So, I have to go and redo all my calculations...
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Jim Phelps
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That's just because Rick Sternbach errorneously assumes that Warp 6 = 1000 ly/year. He said that a while ago on the expertforum.ricksternbach. Unless the distance has (for some weird reason) been increased back to 60,000 ly, I see no reason to change the calculations. So what, Warp 6 is sometimes faster than we think, no biggie.
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Yeah, but that's Barclay.
Has Voyager made any large jumps since Message in a Bottle? I don't quite remember the sequence of eps. Not counting last week's 3000 ly, of course.
And might the statement that their average warp speed is 6.2 help explain how they're further away than we thought, and why Kazon space seemed so big? Maybe they really AREN'T getting that 1000ly/year. That would make Kazon space seven or eight hundred lightyears across, which seems far more reasonable. And before someone bring up the objections of "but they said that they were 70 years from home, so they HAD to estimate 1000 ly/year", maybe we've been misinterpreting the numbers they give us. They said they were 70,000 ly's from where they were. Bajor's deep in Alpha. Maybe when they say "so-and-so years from home", they mean the Alpha quadrant in general.
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Uh, between "Hope and Fear", "Night", "Timeless", "Dark Frontier", and the sixth season, they've jumped about 30,000 light-years...
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What about saying that warp 6.2 (or about 400c) was the speed maintained by Voyager through conventional means up to "Message in a Bottle"? Can the math be made to work out if we assume this initial yearly average, add all the jumps (rounding up if necessary), assume an increased yearly average for post-"Message" episodes and try to end at 35,000 ly by "Equinox"?
Then all we have to explain away is why Barclay succeeded despite having too low an estimate for conventional speed. I'm quite ready to believe Barclay used a conplex formula for figuring out how much the Voyager would jump and where, but neglected to report this addition to his calculations because
a) it sounded too crazy even for him b) he thought the listener would not be interested in details c) he thought the listener knew already d) he just forgot in the anxiety of the moment!
Say, he could have monitored strange deep-space transwarp signatures and guessed which of those were made by the Voyager. The new formula then probably did give more or less valid results, but with huge marigins of error, which is why Reg kept shouting all those alternate coordinates in the grand end chase. Incredible luck then allowed him to pick the right ballpark after just N attempts (of which we only saw three or so).
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Has someone got a list of all known jumps and the episodes in which they occurred? Psiphi.org has the following: "Caretaker" ...... 75,000 light years First Season ..... -1,000 Second Season .... -1,000 Third Season ..... -1,000 Fourth Season .... -1,000 Fifth Season ..... -1,000 70,000 light years of normal travel
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Well, now we can reduce those five years of travel to closer to 2500 ly, if you assume an average velocity of 6.2. Then if you assume that they just started going 6.2 when Seven got her astrometrics lab, and were going 5 before, you can reduce that to about 1200. Kes' jump was 9500 ly. The course corrections due to astrometrics don't really change the distance, just the average speed. And the wormhole probably wasn't in a straight line, and may have even added distance, just to get them out of the void. Add Janeway's statement that they added two years by avoiding Borg ships, and it just MIGHT work out that they were, in fact, 35000 away as of Equinox.
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And you know, that 5 light-years is probably cummulative. It will just take x many light-years off every year, and add up to 5-years off at the end of their journey, so that 28,000 + 5,000 = 33,000 which can be rounded up to 35,000 light years.
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