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Well, we all know that when Voyager first started, it had plenty of story ideas, like the crew's desperate attempts to survive, the paris/chokotay conflict, and, what was supposed to b one of the central conflicts of the seriies, the maquis/starfleet conflict. Its pretty much too late to have these stories brought into the series now, but there are a few stories left behin that can still be told. Such as, how did Tom Paris get in trouble with starfleet? All we need to know is that he didnlt report a mistake of his that made someone die. And another, newer story(Spilers: $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ we know voyager's maquis reaction to the massacer of the maquis by the dominion, but what about the actual dominion war that involved the whole federation? Voyager can now communicate with starfleet (maybe), what if janeway finds out Mark was killed inb the Breen attack on earth? What if kim's parents were killed there too? how would the crew react to learning of the devastation caused by the worst war (and only major war) in federation history?
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speaking of O'Brian, why is he just a petty rank? I did a search,and as far as I can come up with basically he's an Ensign!!?? With the war he fought in, and supposedly how long he's been in starfleet? why the low rank? what's the story?
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People who are Ensigns and above went through starfleet acadamey and got their commissions(sp). O'Brian did not go through the acadamey and there for is not really considered an officer thus the low rank. However he has been around long enough that people respect his opinions and treat him as if he was an officer.
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Enlisted Perrsonel do go through Academy they just take Classes that are particluar to what they are gonna do basicly like a trade school where they teach you what you chosse like if your going to be an engineer they teach you only Engineering and a little of the rest and graduation as an enlisted officer takes maybe a year unlike officers which spend upwards to 5 years at Sf Academy .
Basicly the differance between Enlisted and Officer is that Officers go for a carrer in Starfleet they hope to some day get there own command Enlisteds only wish to learn a trade or spend a couple of years in Sf , the closest an Enlisted person can get to Officer is the rank of Cheif Warrent Officer which is basicly Ensign but without the Education.
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The cardassian war, and klingon and tzen'kethi were major conflicts, but in no way could they compare to the dominion war. One of the great massacres of the cardassian war was the death of 100 federation civilians at cetlik 3. One of the major massacres of the dominiuon war was the death of 800 MILLION cardassians at the battle of cardassia.
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Although with the Navy it's possible for an enlisted person to become an officer. I assume it's the same with Starfleet as well.
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Yes, but O'Brien mentioned at some point that he chose to stay enlisted, that he didn't want to be a commissioned officer.
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The only incentive for an enlisted man with a high and hard-earned rating of Senior CPO and a lucrative command position to become a commissioned officer would be a pay raise. But since TNG-era Starfleet doesn't have payrolls in the traditional sense, this incentive no longer applies.
O'Brien could probably become an Ensign or a Lieutenant by taking a brief course and signing a few documents. But that would turn a senior enlisted man into a junior officer, that is, reduce his prestige immensely. In light of this, I very much doubt Starfleet supports the "mustang" option at all.
OTOH, an enlisted man today only works for the military as long as he wants to, but an officer is commissioned for life and dedicated to the military career. In O'Brien's case the situation is something of the reverse - commissioned officers around him retire and rejoin Starfleet as they please, while he himself is a dedicated career Starfleeter.
There are still promotion possibilities for O'Brien in the enlisted ratings. He's a CPO or SCPO now, and his Academy instructor assignment probably would include a promotion to MCPO - heck, perhaps even "MCPO of Starfleet" if the said organization supports this honorary rating.
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Dhunter: You said, "Enlisted Perrsonel do go through Academy..." What's the canon source on this one?
Timo: You said, "OTOH, an enlisted man today only works for the military as long as he wants to, but an officer is commissioned for life and dedicated to the military career." I assume you mean that an enlisted person ENLISTS for a period of service in the military, after which he/she is given the choice to re-enlist or leave the service. As far as commissioned for life... well, that's partially true. Today (in the US, anyway) officers incur an obligation to serve after they've been commissioned (usually from three to five years, depending on the commissioning source) after which they too are given the option to leave the service. (I was an Army officer for five years, and chose to leave the military at the end of my commitment to pursue a civilian career.) However, officers who resign this way retain their commissions for life, under a reserve status.
Wow... this is REALLY off thread.
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