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I hope that the Enterprise writers will keep the continuity in check during the series. For example, previous Star Trek series' have already esatblished several events happening in the time frame that Enterpise is set in, like the Earth- Romulan war (alledgedly happen around 2153 or 2158), the founding of Star Fleet and the Federation (2161). TPTB have already detroyed the date of first contact between the Federation and the Klingons was supposedly sometime in 2218, but it will now be set in 2151 or something. PS: I hope that TPTB will have the Eugenics Wars from the late 20th century mentioned too. (if you are not familiar with the Eugenics Wars, see the TOS episode Space seed or ST II: The Wrath of Khan.)
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We have already been through several threads with the topic of continuity with Enterprise. The short answer is that we do not know how the writers will respond to continuity until the series gets going and we can see the style of the writing staff.
Based on the information we have avaliable right now, Enterprise is not violating continuity. The design of the ship itself is causing some ripples in fandom, but this matter is merely opinion. Do you think the ship is from the mid-22nd century or not? Well, considering we know of only one design from that era, it's hard to make the call (in my opinion).
As for the powers that be destroying the date of Klingon first contact, this simply isn't true. In none of the episodes or movies was it said that humans met the Klingons in 2218. We've differing references to stuff, though. McCoy said something about 50 years of hostilities with the Klingons in "Day of the Dove." This is largely backed by Spock in The Undiscovered Country where he says 70 years of hostilities. Picard in the TNG episode of "First Contact" said that Klingon first contact was a disastrous affair that happened centuries ago. It is this comment that specifically refers to first contact and it does not gel with the previous two comments unless the other two were not responding to open hostilities.
The date of 2218 comes from Okuda's chronology. He guessed at this date by using McCoy's line in "Day of the Dove" and ignoring Picard's line in "First Contact." Other chronological references that came out before the Okuda one gave others dates for first contact. But since this was conjecture on Okuda's part and that date has likewise never made it onscreen, it can be easily ignored. When the next edition of the chronology comes out, it will reflect the new date for first contact.
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Has anyone noticed that TNG and VOY shuttles with warp nacelles have never actually used warp speed (with the exception of VOY: Macrocosm, although we didn't see the shuttle go to warp) when the situation merited warp speed to travel distances that would take up to six or more hours to travel at impulse, they could be traversed in 1 or 2 hours at low warp. Plus, has anyone actually seen a shuttle's fuel tanks, matter-antimatter reactor or fusion reactor?
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We've seen the Class 2 Voyager shuttles use warp drive quite a bit. "Threshold" and "The Basics" easily come to mind. So, yeah, we've seen the Voyager shuttles at warp. I don't think we ever saw them in The Next Generation, but in "Samaritan Snare" Wesley makes a comment that either their shuttle is just barely doing warp one or is just barely under warp one.
As far as I know, we've never seen the warp core or fusion reactors of any of the shuttlecraft. However, we have seen the warp core of the runabouts in Deep Space Nine. At least, that's what I think O'Brien was playing around with when he opened the panel in the floor of the cockpit.
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Anyway, does anyone think that when Picard mentioned the disasterous first contact with the Klingon, he was referring to this pilot?
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Well, I doubt that when the script was written the writers were already thinking ahead to Enterprise. However, the events that made it "disastrous" have never been revealed (until September 26, 2001 at least). So now we know, and we can assume that Picard was referring to this incident.
On the other tangent of this thread, I thought that the warp core was below the runabout. If it really is in the upper spine of the craft, then what was in the floor of the cockpit that was accessed by that hatch so many times?
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Well, if the shuttle in Samaritan Snare was doing some where near warp on, we would have seen the stars doing a slower warp effect, instead of them just being stationary with the ship moving at impulse. Also, I have seen schematics of runabouts that have the warp core positioned on the top of the runabout, with the lines from the small matter and antimatter tanks and the main EPS relays the the nacelles.
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Boldly going off-topic where others have gone off-topic before:
I think there was a total of one reference to a shuttle at warp in TNG, and we never saw that shuttle in flight: in "Skin of Evil", I believe it was mentioned that Shuttle 13 was initially at warp until things started to go haywire. Of course, Shuttle 13 was of a type never seen before or after that episode...
I think the floor hatch the runabout cockpit has been shown open in two episodes only: "Past Prologue", where it gave access to a probe-launching tube through which Tahna Los could eject his bomb, and "Hippocratic Oath", where O'Brien accessed the transporter systems through it. The innards looked different in the two episodes.
Or perhaps there were two different hatches. I seem to remember the "Prologue" hatch was farther forward than the "Oath" one.
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What about the hatch under which the Orion bomb was hidden in the ep where Odo and Quark crashed on that planet? Was that different?
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I just thought of that episode, too. What was it called? "Rise" or "Ascend?" Anyway, I had always assumed that there was just the one hatch in the floor of the cockpit. Is it possible that it moved after the free-standing console was added to the cockpit?
Either way, I guess the warp core really isn't under the runabout based on just that episode. A bomb detonating that close to the reactor surely would have breached it instead of just crippling the runabout and prompting the emergency landing.
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