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I'm interested to know what the reaction is to being on the wrong side of an overapplied application of a version of the Prime Directive? Are the Vulcans right to limit humans to our own solar system for 88 years after we get faster than light? It seemed harsh, being judged by smug and superior @$$h0le$ who have condemned you to fail at galactic politics before we even try. I understand giving a species the opportunity to succeed or fail on its own, such as not 'giving' us warp five-drives, but what does it mean when we have the ability to boldly go and are limited because of a presumption that we will fail?
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Well, see, they weren't holding us back, they just weren't giving us their technology. Listen to Archer's speech: he's pissed because if the Vulcans had given his father access to their technology, Archer's father would've succeeded.
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Well, see, we don't really know if the Vulcans knew about the Romulans, at least in any specific modern detail. But that's my theory, anyway.
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There's a good reason why the Vulcan might have been holding the humans back: the galaxy might have been full of xenophobic races who would wipe out any just-warp-capable races, on the grounds that they might be a threat to them in the future. Dunno how this Trek's map differs from the other Treks, but Vulcan could be a good distances away, prevent the Vulcan fleet from protecting Earth without exposing their own planets. Maybe the Vulcans were trying to make sure Earth was capable of defending it self (to some extent) against aggressors before letting them run out there, causing trouble. I mean, for crying out loud, they don't even have shields! The moment they come across something that isn't particle or plasma based, like the disruptor, they're gonna start getting holes in their hull.
*still waiting for whatever started the almost hundred year of bad blood between the Klingons and the humans*
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Although I'm not saying it's a downright copy, I do see similarities between Enterprise's potential arc and the Babylon 5 movie "In the Beginning." In the movie, humans have become the up-and-coming new spacefaring race, and want to expand their territory. This includes making contact with the Minbari for the purpose of testing the Minbari's military strength. The Centauri ambassador Londo Mollari knows about the Minbari & tries to tell the humans that a first contact of this nature will most likely end up with the human race becoming extinct. Of course, the too-big-for-their-britches humans ignore Londo's advice, & the rest is history.
I can see the Vulcans (Soval especially) as the Londo figure, desperately trying to convince the humans not to go too far because they may not be ready for the consequences of their actions. I can also see the Klingons as the Minbari, with the whole "disastrous first contact" thing actually still to come, barring the events in Broken Bow. If this is indeed what Enterprise is about, then I will be quite intrigued as to how things will turn out.
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not ONLY are the Vulcans preparing humanity for the Romulans, but the Romulans from the future are using the Suliban to split apart the Klingon Empire in the past.
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...and yet we still didn't see any pointed ears or upswept eyebrows. It could have been a Romulan, or a human, or a Vulcan, or a Trill, or a Bajoran, or a Scalosian, or an Ullian, or an Eminian, or any of the many near-human aliens Trek has shown us, or any of the easily inferred near-human aliens it hasn't shown us yet.
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Yeah, I mean i dont have digital cable (my UPN viewing mode is usually holding a coat hanger) but I have the episode pretty clear and im pretty sure there isnt much more to see than what i did. And keeping in mind that if they didnt want us to know that they wouldnt show it at this point.
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Erm... I feel I should point out that people seem to have forgotten the Federation's policies regarding giving away technology. Remember in VOY, when they could get out of trouble by handing out advanced tech, but they wouldn't? Presumably, what the Vulcans are doing is just an early version of the same principle. They expect us to figure things out ourselves, not just to be handed everything on a pointy-eared platter...
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