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Well, we've already blown away some of these conventions, haven't we? The 50% line-of-sight rule was done out by the Defiant and the Intrepid (during low-warp flight). And the "both warp nacelles must be fully visible in front" was nixed by the Excelsior, I believe.
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Interesting point about the Excelsior there, in that it does pretty clearly break these alleged rules of GR. If GR had intentionally crafted these to spite FJ (GR may have been a weirdo but I've never heard of him being petulant) they'd have had to come out after the supposedly cataclysmic "falling-out" that was sometime after TWOK but before TSFS. Any "rule" that got broken that quickly strikes me as less than dear to GR's heart.
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Tom: I like your definition of semi-canon. I think it's also good to point out that the semi-canon status really only lasts as long as the writers actually refer to these books. If a writer decides that he doesn't want to refer to some stupid book written by some stupid guy who isn't even on staff anymore to gain information about a Galaxy class ship, then the TNG Tech Manual would sink to a similar status as the TOS TM.
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quote:Originally posted by The_Tom: GR may have been a weirdo but I've never heard of him being petulant
I sure have. Accounts of his backstabbing are just short of legion. What was it those biographers called him, a philandering megalomaniac who cheats at pool and steals people's ideas? (That last is backed up by quite a few arbitration decisions against GR in disputes brought by TOS writers to the Writers Guild of America.) Even Andy Probert confirmed this with a comment that while GR was great with him, he knew it was very different on the scriptwriting side.
quote:Originally posted by TSN: I don't really know about this one. I'd say it was supposed to have something to do w/ the warp field, except that I doubt GeneR really cared about that.
I think that hits the nail right on the head. Spout as many treknological explanations as you want, the bottom line is GR didn't really care about that. See what FJ's daughter has to say about it at this page.
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I sure hope Roddenberry didn't let anything so stupid as artistic or dramatic necessity blind him from approving ship designs with proper warp ratios, because that would be a goddamned tragedy on a scale not seen since Michelangelo gave David arms like an orangutan.
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quote:Originally posted by Tech Sergeant Chen: Just caught "A Piece of the Action" on Sci-Fi again and some dialogue makes these technologies problematic. Kirk tells Oxmyx that it'll be difficult to explain beaming down rather than landing, as if the Horizon crew didn't do it. He also says the Horizon used regular radio rather than subspace radio, which delayed the report for almost a century. They also say the Prime Directive wasn't in force at the time of the Horizon's visit.
I KNIGHT YOU SIR TECH!
I can't believe I didn't recognize that before!!!!
As for other things:
Shik: Daedalus doesn't land, it's shuttles do. Let's take a que from B5 and SW for once.
Peregrinus: TAS is semi-canon, we can take supplementary information from it, but it does contridict a lot of stuff. --- In the least, I do think that one's opinion of this should remain. I've never seen a TAS episode and I can't find anything on Terra-10 so: My opinion is this: the equipment for subspace radios are too big for ships until sometime after 2200. Terra-10 must be a large colony ship, so perhaps it has a large enough for a subspace radio. If that is the case then the equipment for a transporter should not be such a stretch. So... just like planets and stations Terra-10 can have transporters and subspace radios before everyone else, but use would be extremely limited before 2200. [Think of transporters as an untested technology that they went ahead and installed on some things (Terra-10 being one of them) but it wasn't until 2200's when the were able to install and test them almost everywhere]. I do not thing that TOS was the transporter's infancy, it was around 60 years old! At the same time, someone did seem to make a good point, what about Terra-10 being upgraded, my version of Dixon's chrono indicates that it was upgraded?
FJs Work: It is somewhat canon because of the movie consoles. I am also more than willing to accept his work, especially because of the BoBW ships.
Oh well--- on to other stuff.
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Shik: But was that land or crash land? Crash landing implies that there may not neccessarily be a need for landing gear, and that they do not land on a *ahem* regular basis.
Besides, if we take the conjectural design to be canon enough for now, it would require a lot of structural integrity and an extremely long landing leg to support the primary hull.
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Crash land maybe... there's no room for landing gear on the design of the Daedalus that most folks accept [I'm sure there are others].
All I have on the Essex is that it was caught in an electromagnetic storm which came from the M-class moon around Mab-Bu VI. I'd need the actual episode to get anymore.
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Makes sense, but what if they had to make a forced landing for some other reason? Anyway, my comment about structural integrity/landing legs still stands.
I'd love to see how the engineers pulled that one off!
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