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F0rce! At this point you are making all these typing errors on purpose, aren't you?! You're doing it just to piss Jeff off aren't you?!
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How does the design not look Vulcan? That's the one thing everyone has been happy about: it does looks Vulcan. It's based on the Apollo-class (T'Pau-type for those in denial) from "Unification".
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hmmmmmm. I'm gonna have to get another look at it. In all honesty, I got a few glances, but those lasted about a second. But now I can watch this episode on tape and pause it! MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
*gets a boot to the head by Galvetron*
Galvetron: Damn it! I told you! That is my catch phrase!
Me: sorry. *mutters under his breath* What an ass.
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No grammar nits. You didn't even spell it like the Frasier actor's last name, which is what most Grammar Cops do sooner or later (Orion's Law, I believe it's called).
It seems pretty certain, though, that the Vulcan warp drive was not invented by humans. Back in DS9 "Little Green Men", Quark gloated over the chance to see the secret of warp to the cultures of the past. He claimed that, thanks to the time-travel capability he had just gained, he could sell the tech to the past Ferengi so that they could have it "before the humans, the Klingons, even the Vulcans".
While this does not specify a date for the invention of warp by these respective races, it does make it sound as if each of them got the drive at a different time. It may be that the Vulcans invented it first, then the Klingons stole it from them, and then Cochrane invented the human version. Or perhaps all of them really stole it from somebody else, save for Cochrane. Or it may be that we can't get such accurate information out of Quark's words at all. But we *can* claim that these four races (Ferengi, Klingon, human, Vulcan) got the warp drive at different times. That is, if we trust Quark.
quote:It's based on the Apollo-class (T'Pau-type for those in denial) from "Unification".
I don't care what the Encyclopedia says...that ship we saw in Unification was NOT an Apollo class ship. The Gage model built for Emissary was an Apollo class ship.
And before Mighty Monkey of Mim starts his whining, yes I know that since the footage wasn't shown, it's not canon. But it was intended to be shown, and that's good enough for me.
Man, I wish someone had Rob Legato's email address...
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This episode wasn't one of the best, but it was almost perfect, the captian could've stopped pausing after every sentence or so, when he was making a "voice" message to the children. the translator talked more smoothly
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MIB did you get lost? were talking about the new episode now.
Vulcans probably invented Vulcan warp drive.
Which, Quark's nebulous and unsatisfying conversational reference to Vulcan warp drive notwithstanding, we still know they had first.
In First Contact, Zefram Cochrane used Human warp drive for the first time. It caught the Vulcans attention, and they warped over to see that we had warp. How did they warp over? With their PRE EXISTING VULCAN WARP DRIVE.
sheesh.
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OOoookk... I was always my understanding that Cochrane discovered and invented the Warp drive and shared the technology freely.
Of course I could be mistakenly taking the book FEDERATIONS at its word... But it was my understanding that the Vulcans didn't have warp technology at first contact.
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Actually, in the book, it states that Zefram Cochrane shared the technology with the vulcans. It also clearly states that the vulcans already had warp-drive, but was so impressed with his intentions that they continued the relations with humankind.
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