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And I thought that oo-mox was disgusting...
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Oo-mox is great! Espically when a girl uses her tongue on your ear while her hands are elsewhere....shudder!
Movie theatres are special places.
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All women are liars and treaty breakers though. It's why we love them so.
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Ok, xenophile speculation aside, so if Enterprise was able to suss out the weapon activation code from the Andorian's own data stream, why didn't the Andorians have the deactivation sequence which had presumably been sent right after the weapon sawed the moon in half? And also, I haven't been watching all the episodes, but if the Xindi recognized that there was an Andorian vessel, does that mean the Xindi know of the Andorians? Is there some history there? Would the Xindi know about the location of Earth/the human threat/etc. from the Andorians?
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I dont recall the Xindi saying it was an Andorian vesswl untill after the whole "mining consortium" schtick.
It's possible that the Xindi weapon needed bigtime repairs after "almost overloading" during the test and just blew up because it was being re-used without the cool down period the Xindi were giving it.
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The part I loved was the look on Shrans face when he downs that Andorian ale; his eyes sorta pop and his antennas go a litle haywire!
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I would expect that Archer's experience with Xindi computers and the 'database' would have given him a huge edge over the Andorians in trying to activate it. Archer put it into overload, which is why the Andorians threw it overboard, just before it blew up. Shran's not likely to accuse him of bluffing soon.
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So, here's something I've been thinking about: What if the Andorians had just come out and said, upfront, that they were willing to help Earth get their hands on the Xindi weapon provided they got full access to the data? I can't see what reason Earth, or Archer as their representative, would have to turn the offer down. They might use such information against the Vulcans? The Vulcans are apparently unwilling to help when push comes to shove. It seems to me that lots of people on Earth could be easily convinced that an alliance with Andoria would prove more beneficial. (And I suppose if someone was really worried about the balance of power, superweapon specs could get leaked to Vulcan somehow.)
I also think it would have been neat if the Andorians had stuck around for a few episodes, or even the rest of the season. They wouldn't even have to be seen most of the time, splitting up to cover more space being a not unsensible notion. But I guess that Battlestar Galactica stigma is hard to dodge.
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A good question: If the Andorians had offered help in return for the weapon specs to any current government, the answer would have been "yes".
But this is starfleet (allbeit a very young version) and they'd have turned the deal down to keep Pandora's Box closed.
Besides, the Vulcans would have probably turned against Earth if Starfleet gave such an obvious advantage to the Andorians and then Earth would be doubly boned.
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The whole theme this season, though, has been how the Xindi threat is now Top Priority, No Exceptions. How is a Vulcan that is turned against Earth significantly different than Vulcan as it is in the show right now? So Vulcan responds with, what, crippling economic and social sanctions? At least the planet is still in one piece. Even if the Vulcans went so far as to actually start a shooting war, I can't imagine they'd have "exterminate all humans" as a win condition. Making an enemy of the Vulcans is, to be sure, a Bad Thing, but not being prepared against the Xindi is catastrophic, and Earth-Vulcan relations can be repaired a lot easier than, well, Earth.
Having said all of that, the Andorians do have a few good reasons not to think that they could forge such an alliance. For instance, as far as they know, Enterprise might be crawling with secret Vulcan gear, with or without human knowledge of its existence. The risk of a Vulcan ship(s) intercepting the Xindi weapon just outside the Expanse thanks to some hidden sensor/transmitter package might outweigh the benefits of getting it without having to hassle with keeping things secret from the humans.
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