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Alright, I finally saw the episode. I'll try not to retread old arguments:
1) Utter crap. I've not been this disappointed since Voyager's "Threshold". What a floater. I didn't even like the closing montage.
2) The episode wasn't about anything related to Enterprise. It was a TNG episode. In theory, the show was about the end of the Enterprise's mission and the founding of the Federation. But it wasn't. The plot of the story was Riker trying to make up his mind. We didn't even get to hear Archer's speech. And the episode technically wasn't even real! It was a computer recreation of what *might* have happened based on personal logs, historical records, and possibly interviews. There's no way anyone could know what Chef talked to Trip about in the friggin' galley. Or what Malcom, Hoshi and Travis talked about while waiting for Archer's speech. It's the end of the mission, and we don't even get to see it how it *actually* happened.
3) T'Pol made absolutely no sense. Granted, it's 6 years in the future, but Terra Prime ended with such emotion and connection between Trip and T'Pol. Now we find out that they've had absolutely no romantic relationship all this time but now, suddenly, there's hope for it... but too late cause Trip died. Blalock's acting was funky, but I'm fairly certain it was due to bad direction rather than Blalock's skillz.
4) WHERE THE HELL WAS SECURITY?!?!! "We're being boarded! Now let's let the captain and chief engineer take care of it themselves without sending a single crewman to help." It's like the ship was deserted. Where are the MACOs, these uberMilitary commandos? They never even explained how the marauder ship caught up with them. And here again... this may not even be the way things actually happened because it was a holodeck episode!
5) An actual question: Did they get Brent Spiner to record dialoge for this? If not, where did the com message to Troi come from?
6) I watched "The Pegasus" right before watching "TATV" and there is virtually no way this episode could've happened during the events of that show. There just aren't enough breaks in the action for Riker to visit the holodeck all those times AND sit and chat with Troi.
7) Since when does Riker need to be hand-held and baby-sat to make tough decisions?
8) Troi knows an awful lot about the program for someone who's never run it herself. It's odd that Troi was so involved with "TATV" given that I don't even remember seeing her on the show during "The Pegasus". Was she even in that episode?
9) The only cool thing about this ep was the killer Enterprise-style footage of the Ent-D flying into and out of the asteroid field.
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: 5) An actual question: Did they get Brent Spiner to record dialoge for this? If not, where did the com message to Troi come from?
Yeah, they got Brent Spiner to come in and do his lines. In fact, he wrote his own lines. That exchange kind of made me groan, though.
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"We didn't even get to hear Archer's speech."
This is one complaint that I don't agree with. Considering the, uh, hit and miss nature of Archer's big speeches in the past, I don't think leaving this one up to the audience's imagination was a bad idea, necessarily.
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quote:Originally posted by Sol System: "We didn't even get to hear Archer's speech."
This is one complaint that I don't agree with. Considering the, uh, hit and miss nature of Archer's big speeches in the past, I don't think leaving this one up to the audience's imagination was a bad idea, necessarily.
Not hearing it is one thing, but cutting it off with "End Program" was just rude.
"Also did Tucker say the Enterprise was travelling at Warp 7 while doing thier toast thing before the 2nd run in with the baddies?"
I originally thought he said they were "coasting at warp 7", but I went back and listened to it later and I think he said "toasting to warp 7".
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Well that depends on how big the Daedalus class is.
I don't know if there is any 'real' length. I mean, the only time we saw it was in Siskos office in DS9. What was that, 16 inches?
I kinda see it as around 160m long (not the oft quoted 105). This gives it between 11 and 14 decks, which fits much better with the windows on Sisko's model.
Whats a Baton Rouge look like when its not flying at warp 7?
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I choose to believe that the Daedalus does exist and looks like the model on Sisko's desk, except with alot more detail. Detail that, oddly enough, makes it look more like the NX-01.
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Wow, that was shitty. I have a question: was this the shot of Picard that Snay and Liam were talking about? Does he appear elsewhere in the ep? (I don't know that I can sit through it again)
So didn't this show used to be about some characters from before TOS and not at all about any characters from TNG? I mean this would have been a really interesting interseason episode, but wasn't a good way to say goodbye to the show we all knew and barely tolerated.
Not that I especially liked Demons/Terra Prime as a finale either but at least there were some exciting things happening.
For the sake of the discussion a few pages back here is an image of the Carl Sagan Memorial Station thingy:
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