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I agree that the should have originally been about the founding too. But once they made the pilot and chose the TCW as the arc for the show, they should've stuck with it and made the culmination of that story line the culmination of the show. If it also happened to tie in with the successful founding of the Federation, fine. It seems that that's what the TCW was trying to prevent anyway. Or it was at least one of its objectives. It's not like they'd be saying the events of Enterprise were the *only* stories to be told about the founding of the Federation.
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Thanks, Krenim. So out of 98 episodes, only 12 featured the series main plotline. That's definitely not the way to develop and steer the story.
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: But once they made the pilot and chose the TCW as the arc for the show, they should've stuck with it and made the culmination of that story line the culmination of the show. If it also happened to tie in with the successful founding of the Federation, fine. It seems that that's what the TCW was trying to prevent anyway. Or it was at least one of its objectives.
Right, and I agree with you on that. They thought a bunch of different factions spread across time on the brink of war would be an interesting idea, and I agree it could have been (leaving aside the various headaches that time travel usually gives me). But they seriously dropped the ball on it, and we complained as such during the run of the show.
quote:It's not like they'd be saying the events of Enterprise were the *only* stories to be told about the founding of the Federation.
True, but for a good chunk of Enterprise's run, there was only one vessel capable of warp five; there were only two warp five ships for the duration of the show's run. A lot of the interesting stuff was happening "out there" where Enterprise (and later Columbia) was the only ship around. Granted, there was also some neat stuff going on around Earth with the anti-alien/human supremacy movements and some of the political maneuvering, and you wouldn't need a warp five ship for those stories.
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I think the TCW as a main series arc could have been developed well while not focusing every other episode on it. Look at The X-Files. The main plot of the show was the alien invasion and conspiracy thing. But, especially early on, they only touched on it off and on.
Enterprise came back to it often, though probably not often enough. But it really needed a better send off than a season premiere "we're tired of this and have to wrap it up before we can move on to other things".
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Definitely. The temporal cold war didn't need to be a part of every episode, but it certainly should have been involved in more than just 13% (more or less) of the episodes.
Plus, the season premiere needed to be something like "we're tired of this and have to wrap it up before we can move on to other things. Like Hoshi and T'Pol wrestling in a kiddy pool filled with baby oil with Captain Hernandez and T'Pau refereeing."
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I knew that the TCW was going to be a big disappointment every since the episode future tense(tholians!) when I realized most of these episodes created more questions than answers. Basically the TCW failed because it became too complex a storyline to follow.
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quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: I think the TCW as a main series arc could have been developed well while not focusing every other episode on it. Look at The X-Files. The main plot of the show was the alien invasion and conspiracy thing. But, especially early on, they only touched on it off and on.
And when they completely focused on it, it sucked ass in a way that even the most die-hard fan of the show could hardly stand.
Say what you will about Enterprise's final episode, it beat the fuck out of X-Files' end.
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And the entire Xindi arc was really an outgrowth of it as well, since the Xindi ended up having been manipulated by the Spherebuilders/Guardians/Trans-dimensional aliens---one of the factions in the TCW.
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Yeah...there are a couple of non TCW episodes where Archer gives T'Pol ribbing about the Vuclan Science geeks not believing in time-travel.
That's just some good continuity between episodes-take that TNG- you fuckers!
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Say what you will about Enterprise's final episode, it beat the fuck out of X-Files' end.
Two things:
1. The X-Files ending was at the end of a series that should have finished 3 or 4 years earlier (Chris Carter was quoted as saying earlier on that the X-Files was only going to be made for 5 years), whereas Enterprise was just gaining ground and it would have been nice to have seen it have a full 7 year run.
2. What is it about the last episodes of series.
On tape somewhere I still have the final episode of The X-Files, Dark Angel *cough*Ally McBeal*cough* (HEY! It was good for the first 3 or 4 years. (When Robert Downy Junior left - it was shite) and Angel STILL to watch. Maybe not watching them makes me feel in the back of my mind they are still going!?!
I have Enterprise finale (actually last three episodes downloaded but not watched - that may have something to do that i've been fucking busy as lately!?!)
I have had - as of last night:
2 episodes of Dr. Who 1 episode of Family Guy 3 episodes of Enterprise 3 episodes of Battlestar Galactica 2 episodes of LOST and The Revenge of the Sith
to watch.
I've knocked off Dr. Who and Family Guy last night! All three episodes ROCKED!
Andrew
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Depends on which new Family Guy episode you're talking about. The first two of the new batch were pretty good, but I found the third one to be seriously lacking.
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My cable/internet at home is out till next friday- it was that or food/electricticty, so I've been reading some of the novels I've had piling up and building very nice models.
But....I'm going to see that Sith movie on Tuesday.
No one here shows Dr. Who so I'm fucked there- I'm always 800th in the que to download any of them on WinMx.
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I've got several episodes of Oblongs and MST3K lately.
What's better in your opinion? I'm looking for spyware-free.
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