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Sol System: Observation noted. If the two ships are that different, could there be two Sidney Class ships-one is a shuttle and the other is a transport? Or could the shuttles that were identified by the encyclopedia as being Sidney Class be actually of an another class? A bridge readout on the Enterprise-D in "Relics" conclusively identified the USS Jenolen as Sydney Class Transport. The shuttles are not conclusively identified as being Sidney Class in the episodes or movies. Only source for this is the Encyclopedias. Based on your observation and this musing, I hereby retract any statements I have made about the Sidney Class transports. Also, I hereby retract any statements I made previous to today about the USS Raven.
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Sol System: Reference the entry Jenolen, USS in Encyclopedia II. I beiieve you will find the reference that states the shuttle in The Undiscovered Country is of the Sydney Class transport.
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I don't believe in what is written in the Ency, since the studio models definitely indicate the orbital shuttle from the movie ST6 is a one-deck shuttle of the size of a runabout, but without warp drive:
The Sydney/Jenolen/Nash is a big ship with many decks, exactly the same warp nacelles as the Constitution, a Constitution-like bridge and Miranda-like sensor panel. It's a very consistent design, despite the fact it is a kitbash:
There's not the slightest doubt the ships have considerably different sizes (30m - 230m). You see that the model was heavily modified to portray a much larger ship. I'm not sure about the blue shuttle in Generations, maybe they had another studio model of the orbital shuttle, maybe they did actually use the Sydney, but modified it to be a small ship again.
The error in the Encyclopedia might be attributed to the fact that the model was a small shuttle at first, and the author (Okuda) did not have a close look at the modified version.
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I read that the Jenol(e,i,a)n? was first labeled as "Nash". It could have been renamed after "Relics" to portray the DS9 ship as well, if there weren't the obvious registry conflict. The registry of the Nash is arranged in a completely different way and not just a modification. They could have taken *any* other number than 2010-B and it would have been o.k. I don't think anyone can be so stupid. To me the Nash labeling looks preliminary and doesn't match the Starfleet font and size.
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In an issue of Cinefantesque (where the second year of DS9 is reviewed), the photo of the USS Nash, the same one as taken from the Model Citizens Web site, is identified as the model in the episode "Playing God". The modelmakers rename the USS Jenolin to USS Nash because "...there was no name in the script...". The name is said to be taken from the name of an individual in production. The USS Nash would later feature in other DS9 episodes including "Trials and Tribble-ations". Aft section is shown close-up. The close-up shows four letters-N A S H. The registry I believe was never to be shown and that may account for the error. Is this error canonical? You decide.
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If the Nash actually appeared at DS9, I should include the ship to my list. However, I can't accept the registry. There must be some point where evident nonsense is filtered out.
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