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V and VI were the same sets, just a darker tone of paint on VI.
What's WRONG with that set, anyway?
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Not just 24 Excelsiors, of course - I think we saw more than that in a single episode in the latter half of DS9. But it would be a scale-up of sorts. First, a dozen or so Constitutions as the frontline ships. Then, two dozen or so Excelsiors (first batch with four-digit regos, then the rest with those 14000-range ones), with Constitutions and Constitution-sized ships being introduced in greater numbers as second-line ships (I like to believe in the "Ships of the Star Fleet" setup where there were soemthing like fifty Constitutions or downrated sister designs in the movie era). Then, more Excelsiors (in the 42000 range) to serve as the second-line ships while Ambassadors/Niagaras and later Nebulas/Galaxies become the frontline units.
It would be a bit much to assume that Starfleet would immediately jump from a fleet that thought of just 12 or so Constitutions with pride, to an uninterrupted prodution of the huge Excelsiors until their numbers reached the triple digits. Instead, mass production would probably only follow when the design no longer was the very top of the line.
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I think that the Excelsior class was to built to replace the Enterprise class (sorry) as the front line ship. That would support the fact thatvarious Excelsiors have Enterprise class names (sorry again) I would only assume that the Enterprise classes was perhaps 1. a quick refit for the Constitution classes until the Excelsiors came into common veiw, 2. The Enteprise class was just too old and that a logical mass production oif these vessels were too wasteful when you can build the Excelsiors at the same rate. 3. the Excelsiors were thought of as a the newest ship and would make a complete fleet of Excelsiors.
3. is not realistic so...
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There's no such thing as the Enterprise-Class.
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I presume he means the Constitution-refit, which kinda muddles what he's trying to say in point (1). But I agree the refit didn't do much but prolong the life of the class until it was replaced by the Excelsior.
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Jeff... The Enterprise bridge in ST V was a completely different animal from ST VI. V was pretty much just a refurb of the existing set. VI on the other hand was too big for the bridge dome, the turbolifts were spaced too far to port and starboard... Mark? Can you elaborate?
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The ST V and VI bridge sets *were* the same ones, rearranged and modified significantly. Between the two movies, they swapped the science and communications consoles with their respective turbolifts, such that the turbos are almost oppostie each other. The consoles themselves were redone so that they stuck out a little more, and had physical switches mixed in with the LCARS displays. They stripped the carpets off, reuphostered all the chairs, and repainted everything too. However, it *is* still the set. In these pics you can just make out the aft of the bridge:
Note the ribbed wall panelling on the aft wall - they're about the only thing that WASN'T changed on the set.
And in comparison, here's how it looked at the end of Star Trek IV. This is what you might be confused with - it's the same set used through the first movies, painted in white and with LCARS panels instead of switces, dials and knobs. http://services.tos.net//pics/st4/st4-crew.gif
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Gods... The cosmetic differences between V and VI are so pronounced, I didn't even notice. But those same cosmetic differences piss me off no end. The bridge in V was gorgeous. The bridge in VI was ... for me ... too over-the-top, too militaristic, too cold and uncomfortable (even on the TOS bridge I'd rather pull an 8-hour watch than the VI bridge...), plus the "what were they thinking -- or were they?" with the lifts...
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I most certainly prefer the VI bridge. Who knows why they moved the turbolifts, maybe they now drop into a horizontal shaft and not a vertical shaft.
I dunno -- I just like the VI bridge better.
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I prefer the VI bridge as well. The V edition was too "plastic fantastic" to me, and didn't really fit the movie era - Herman Zimmerman *did* want to present a sort of bridge between the TOS adn TNG eras, but in this case it was too much, too soon IMO. The V bridge was pretty featureless - all the stations looked identical, all of them were facing away from the captain, and it looked very generic for a ship like the Enterprise. In VI they added lots of details, like the individualized consoles for Spock and Uhura, darker colour palette, and more atmospheric lighting.
Not to say that the V bridge was BAD, it just didn't have any character to me. And not to say that the VI bridge didn't have any problems either: I really hated how they suddenly went back to physical switches after the IV-V bridges demonstrated LCARS. All those LED clocks didn't help any (nor that fact that no two seemed to have the same time!).
Ironically enough though, the same set eventually was restored to its plastic fantastic specs when it was presented to us as the bridge of the USS Prometheus almost a decade later. Which is an insanely popular vessel, for whatever reason.
Mark
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I didn't really like the TOS bride or the STI-III brides as I thought they were too plain. I bet if I saw the bridge along with the refitted E-nil when they were first on screen I am sure that I would have different thoughts but since I wasn't even born then...
The STV bridge in my opinion was the best thing in that movie, everything was just plain shitty. STVI has that militeristic look but at least the look was maintained in Generations in the E-B.
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The TOS bridge too plain? How about, it set the standard and ever since then each new bridge has tried to better it, usually by adding more detail?
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I'd say the Enterprise-B bridge, but with the comfy, stabile chairs from the Defiant. As a bridge for battle, the Defiant bridge. It's simply so effective.
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I kinda liked the E-B and E-A bridges...but I'm not looking forward to seeing the color scheme when the next TNG movie comes out.
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