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It's the Sydney Class without the warp engines and turned upside down. It's been used as several transports over the years, but I don't think it has a class name (at least not one that's been given).
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It's not turned upside-down. It was always liked that. The Sydney was modified in the same orientation. Only when the Sydney began to appear on DS9 was it ever flipped upside-down for filming. But nothing else was ever modified on/to the model.
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One wonders if several physical models exist of this design. We see the "exec shuttle" version both in ST6 and in "Generations", while the Sydney class model was modified/constructed for TNG "Relics" and a piece of stock footage of it docking upside down was filmed for DS9 "Playing God". So did Jein modify the shuttle into the transport, and then back?
It seems highly unlikely that the model would have been modified twice. Jein probably simply saved the molds he used for the exec shuttle, and used them to make the hull for the Jenolan, retaining the exec shuttle in unmodified condition and simply repainting it for "Generations".
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Maybe the reused the mould (or whatever you call that)made some modefications and they had the Sydney class. How big is the model of the Sydney-class anyway? Because they could have easily used the Enterprise-A engines from the AMT/Ertl Model-kit.
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I thought that the scene with all the shuttles and the people on the saucer was CGI...
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Well, the actual saucer was a Matte, right?
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The saucer was definitely a matte, and the small shuttle settling down on it probably was a CGI effect because something that small would not be practical with models. But it's difficult to tell anything definite about the exec-shuttle, which was seen fairly close at first and did not seem to have the sort of early-CGI surface glare the CG version of the E-B had in the beginning. Could have been CG, could have been a model.
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Just a little note: The windows are alot different between the Jenolen and the shuttle, too. The Jenolen is obviously alot bigger. Don't know how this fits in to the whole modification debate, but, to me anyway, it points to two separate models.
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Quite so - if the shuttle model was used as the basis for the Jenol*n model, then Jein did an expert job at removing all traces of the big side windows and doorway. The forward windows would have been easier to mask, since the entire bow was so greatly modified, but the smoothness of the Jenol*n sides suggests that they never had those big oval portholes and doorways cut into them.
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I looked in issue 61 of Cinefex, which has an article on Generations. They make no mention of CGI for the small shuttles, but do say that the executive shuttle was shot motion control. The Enterprise hull was a matte painting (actually two matte paintings: one flat and one with glinty highlights). The crew were ILM staffers comped in. I think extensive CGI didn't come in until First Contact (Akira, et al) and Insurrection (Enterprise)
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The hybrid Type-6/TOS movies shuttle was a model, there are pictures of it on Bernd's site, in the Starship gallery.
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Maybe the shuttles were also a matte painting.
And I was just at Ex Astris Scientia and saw a pic of the underside of the shuttle. Are those engines of the Enterprise-D or something similar?
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I thought one was landing on the saucer. I can remember one of those flying towards the saucer.
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