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you know i always thought the nova, intrepid designs and later whatever ships that lookes sleek and lacked a neck attatching the saucer to the secondary hull were built after starfleet discovered that warp fields tear subspace-
so they designed new warp fields and new designs to accomadate the new propulsion grids.
but then again-if most of these ships were being designed as early as after wolf 359 and some like the akira-probably already in service. i don't know about that theory anymore.
and yes the federation took losses at the level in the billions cause they faced the dominion-who probably eradicated entire colonies and worlds in days. no prisoners! victory is life!!! sorry-i been playing as a jemahadar in an Elite Force mod.
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I don't know how much I'm going to insult people, but I cannot understand how the Enterprise-D looks *graceful*. The orthographic views just kill me. How could you consciously make the saucer like that? I feel the Enterprise-C is better proportioned than the D and even then not well enough.
But the E. Oooh. Have you people looked at the blueprints in the ST:TNG movies sketchbook? Ah, to die for! The lines are beautiful, the primary hull, the secondary hull, and the nacelles are perfectly balanced in length. The unique design of the primary hull underside. The deflector dish. The arrangement of windows. I could go on forever.
But I agree I wouldn't take it on an extended tour of duty. It feels like taking a Rolls on an unpaved mountain road for a two month trek in the Andes. Doesn't work. The Enterprise-D was more down to business.
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I don't understand how you can not find the -D graceful. She's so gorgeous, and beautiful, and just AMAZING!
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I wonder if either is a result of taste in asthetics being a personal opinion, but I could be wrong.
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Kinda like how I could see a girl and say "Wow, she's pretty cute" meanwhile another guy near me would say "Cute? She's nasty."
But, I just have to add that the -C beats the -D and the -E hands down.
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Most males who claim a female is nasty are on the short list for the quick man train. At least to me, any female is better than Mr. Conductor. Except Ringo Starr. Choo-Choo! Thomas!
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That explains why I've seen Omega patting his lap, saying "he's a very special little engine."
Personally, I'd go for the A above the lot of 'em. But familiarity breeds contentment, at least with Starships. Yeah, the first time I saw the Ent-D, I thought the saucer looked way too big. but it grew on me.
Thinking about it, it was probably designed like that to make the ship look "big". We (at the time at least), used the original or refit Enterprise as our "base" model. So, to make the Excelsior look "bigger", they made the aft section huge. To make the Enterprise-D look bigger, they made the saucer huge. It worked in both cases. (Actually, the Excelsior's a design I hated initially, but now the Ent-B is my second favourite Enterprise. Taste, eh?)
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The big design flaw with the Constellation Refit IMO is the nacelle pylons. Why the hell make them thin at the base and wide at the ends??? They look like bellbottom pants!! The Sovereign got that straight.
I too like the Ambassador, but when my major gripe with that is the oversized nacelles. I used Psp to narrow one nacelle with a couple of pixels and it looked soo much better.
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*heh* Look at the sketchbook again. The blueprints for the E-E show that the pylons are wider where they attach to the nacelles than at the roots. As for that design on the E-refit, look at what's there. The plasma conduits parallel the leading edge, and the upper trailing edges have emergency purge vents.
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Now draw a line on the E-refit's pylon from the aft edge of the pylon root parallel to the conduit covers. See? It ends a bit fore of the purge vent you can see on the inboard face. Now. As for why I mentioned this, look at it froma construction standpoint. Would you rather have a straight pylon that suddenly flares back to make room for the purge vents, thus creating a more complex shape to craft hull plates for (at the angle), or would you rather just redraw the trailing edge of the pylon to make room for the vents and keep the complexity to a minimum?
Yes, I've drawn it, and the former design does look nice (and I'm planning on using it on a future ship design), but the sudden angularity doesn't fit with the smooth lines surrounding it.
As for the Sovereign pylon... This is what I get for looking at the blueprints upside down...
--Jonah
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