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We have always assumed that the Enterprise in TOS only had one entry/exit - and that was the turbolift.
While watching Space Seed I noticed that Kahn mentions - after locks out the bridge, and begins to suffocate those on the bridge, that he has also blocked all the exits from the bridge - a plural. So one assumes that there is Jeffery tube access?? to the bridge - or some sort of ladder? where would/could this be located!?!
Space Seed was a VERY good episode. Uhura really shone in this episode too, even though she had little to do. Her whole defiance of Kahn was very... admirable. Something you don't see much of even now in TV shows. Usually the 'girly-girl' will give out - or after a few 'beatings' too... unless their relatively 'butch' or 'trained'. Uhura stands her post. Very Valiant.
They say that - when Kahn has taken over the Enterprise that they leave the Botany Bay behind. I might have missed a few lines at the end, when I was away from the TV a bit, but when they were putting them on Seti Alpha V, did Kirk go back/give Kahn the Bontany Bay? How come we then see it in TWOK...
*cue Chekov* Botany Bay... BOTANY BAY!
Oh also, people complain about Chekov knowing about the events of "Space Seed". So what - he could have been assigned to the late shift, or lower decks etc. I'm sure though, he would have remembered such a major event as the Ship being taken over by someone from 200 years ago.
Also I noticed that Joaquin was listed in the credits at the end - of course not played by Judson Scott?? But at least they kept the character!
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I thought in ST2 his character was spelt "Joachim"..
As for the "exits" to the bridge, it's long been suspected taht you could easily get off the bridge without using the turbolift if you REALLY wanted to. Franz Joeseph's bridge blueprints denote the turboluft alcove walls to be "kickout panels", which can be snapped out to access a corridor encircling th bridge, which includes a forward gangway down to deck two.
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In Mr. Scott's Guide, there is an emergency hatch to B-deck just forward of the helm/nav console. Another such hatch could have been present on the original E. God knows we never got to see much of the floor.
Also, if they were really smart, they could have just forced the turbolift doors and escaped that way.
They never said anything remotely implying that the Botany Bay was returned to Kahn in ST:II. Terrell made a remark about cargo modules, and I've always assumed they were of Starfleet issue, otherwise he wouldn't have assumed a Starfleet ship had been marooned there. Also, Chekov was looking at a belt upon which was inscribed "BOTANY BAY" when he made that oh so dramatic comment.
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It was a restraining strap attached to the side of the cargo container -- implying it was the container that was from the S.S. Botany Bay, not just the strap.
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Sorry, off topic, but Sol: where on Earth did you get that signature phrase???
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In other words, a restraining strap for what? Why was it on the inside? How do you know it was a restraining strap? (As you can tell, my knowledge of cargo manipulation is severely lacking.)
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A couple of things about those cargo crates:
1) They were bigger than the crates we saw aboard the Enterprise in TMP, but of a similar shape, with a ribbed outer surface in place of the rolling door.
2) They were smaller than the big wedgelike container thingies visible on the Botany Bay exterior.
If they originated from the Botany Bay, they probably had traveled aboard that ship stricken down, since the ship didn't look as if it had internal room for these crates. If they in turn came from aboard the Enterprise, they could have been lying assembled in a cargo hold somewhere (we didn't see the holds in TOS), and simply emptied for this task.
In any case, they probably ended up on the planetary surface with the help of the Enterprise's (cargo) transporters, since we never saw any landing-capable ships or shuttles that could have carried such big crates or even their wall elements in TOS.
Timo: They could still have been transported to the surface by some as yet unseen shuttle type, although you're probably right, it does seem rather unlikely.
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Of course, we never saw Cargo Transporters in TOS either. As far as I remember, the Enterprise-nil has ONE transporter.
One transporter. One door on the bridge. I wonder what happened for Starfleet to start laying the massive back-ups we saw in TNG.
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Given how we sometimes saw differing door colors for the "single" transporter room in TOS, I'd suggest at least two, symmetrically mounted on both sides of the saucer. From there, it's not a big step to the preferred fanfic arrangement of four transporter rooms: one as shown; one opposite the existing room, across the corridor; and a mirrored pair on the other side of the ship.
Why not make use of multiple transporters in storytelling? Let's forget the obvious reason (namely, that there weren't multiple sets to be used), and invent some technobabble. Those transporters could have been the sharpest cutting edge of semi-experimental high tech at the time, so a ship would *have* to have four: one operational, one spare, one being torn down so that the engineers can figure out what went wrong the last time, and one reserved for running experiments to figure out what will go wrong the next time. It's much like the British SSBNs: with sufficiently superhuman effort, one out of four can actually be out at sea performing its job, while the other three undergo repairs or resupply.
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Just re: the Botany Bay. How come the boarding party on the BB in "Space Seed" could walk about... how come there was gravity!?! There was no artificial gravity in 1990 was there
Also, it also applies to the SS Birdseye from "The Neutral Zone" how come Data and Worf can be walking around on there when there is no Artificial Gravity?
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1996, actually. And the Birdseye could have been launched as late as 2000. Obviously, such technologies don't exist now. However, it has been consistently shown that, in the Trek universe, technology advanced much more quickly than in reality (cryoships in the '90s, transparent aluminum in the '80s, warp drive by the 2160s, which we're probably not going to have). So, in Trek, they could very well have had artificial gravity at that point. Granted, Ares IV (that's right number, yes?) didn't have it. But, maybe that was to save money, or something...
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