quote:Originally posted by The Red Admiral: I only pointed to the Excelsior as a marker. For if you use this new Enterprise at NX 01, and then acknowledge the Excelsior some 130 years later as 2000, how then do you account for a jump to 11000 in twenty or thrity years. This was the point I was making if only you would read it properly.
Oh, I read it properly. That's why I pointed out that there is no jump, there is a clear progression up through the numbers. Furthermore, after this period of acceleration, the numbers increase at roughly 1000 per year. The answer is simple: starship prodcution dramatically increased during the 2280s and maintained the higher pace for a century. As to why, I have no idea.
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quote: The obvious answer is that the Constitution class ship had a registry lower than 956
Because there was a TNG episode where the screen showed a TOS Connie w/ Constitution NCC-1700. I don't recall the episode, but I do know it came up in discussion as onscreen canon and pretty clearly visible. Sorry, TSN It would be easier.
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Stingray- Which TNG episode is this? I wanna know which because it's not one I've seen.
Ryan: Your theory I know of, and its one I've postulated before, but I don't completely buy it. I'm aware of the ships which have reg's of NCC 5***, NCC 9*** etc. But it would mean that if they were originally chronological they built 2000 ships in little over a century, then built four times that figure in like thiry years. I think something more involved has to really be going on, perhaps pointing to an alteration to the registry scheme.
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quote:Originally posted by The Red Admiral: Ryan: Your theory I know of, and its one I've postulated before, but I don't completely buy it. I'm aware of the ships which have reg's of NCC 5***, NCC 9*** etc. But it would mean that if they were originally chronological they built 2000 ships in little over a century, then built four times that figure in like thiry years. I think something more involved has to really be going on, perhaps pointing to an alteration to the registry scheme.
Ever hear of Occam's Razor? Don't multiply hypotheses if you don't have to. There isn't a need for a registry change to fit the evidence, so I don't assume one.
The topic of why Starfleet's registration increased could be as simple as including ships below a certain size (like proto-runabouts) that, previously, weren't included. Regardless, it is a topic that I haven't given much thought to and I'm not going to speculate further at the moment.
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Here here, Ryan. I whole heartdely back up your post. Unfortunetly, I can think of no other way besides the reuse of registries in the early days (other than other alternate proposed theories like upgrading ships of other class to Connie, which is much worse in my opinion.
As for the episode, like I said above I don't recall it. I would need somebody to help me out on that.
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The episode is "Datalore". The computer screen is seen when Lore accesses the Enterprise's computers for information. The ship is seen from above. She is a refit and her registry is NCC-1700. There is no name.
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I just know I'm gonna end up being crucified or something, because I know it must be really annoying for you guys to have me keep doing this, but:
THE ENCYCLOPEDIA AND EVERY OTHER OFFICIAL SOURCE SAYS THAT THE NCC-1700 IS THE CONSTITUTION-CLASS PROTOTYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Monkey: The Encyclopedia is not canon. Period.
Stingray: I'm not saying there wasn't a USS Constitution numbered NCC-1700. I'm just saying there was a different USS Constitution w/ a lower registry, and that one was the class ship. It would have been destroyed or something before the 1700 was launched.
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How many people in here actually know the real-world history of registries, particularly those of the Constitution class, and why those ships in particular are all messed up?
Thought I'd ask first instead of just launching into the essay.
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The original "NCC-1701" was based off an airplane registry (except the original only had "NC"; the other 'C' was thrown it to make it look better). The reason they're "messed up" is that, when they made the Constellation, they just rearranged the numbers in an Enterprise model kit, and used "1017" rather than, say, "1710".
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"The episode is "Datalore". The computer screen is seen when Lore accesses the Enterprise's computers for information. The ship is seen from above. She is a refit and her registry is NCC-1700. There is no name."
Now, call me crazy, but that doesn't actually say that the NCC-1700 was called the Constitution because, apart form it being a refit, it doesn't say the name.
Isn't the Constitutions registry of NCC-1700 just about visible on a computer screen in Space Seed?
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The extra "C" on NCC might't, as the encyclopedia implies, have simply been thrown in to look good. I remember reading that NCC was an amalgam of the American (NC) and Soviet (CCC) civil aviation codes, because Jeffries thought it was only fitting that the two pioneer nations of space travel might have cooperated in developing space travel in the future.
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