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Yeah, why does everybody count the Dauntless as a Starfleet ship? It was made up by an alien from another quadrant! And quit with the 1305-E crap. Someone dig up the other five Yamatos and I'll beleive it.
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The fact that the Voyager crew accepted the Dauntless as a genuine Starfleet vessel signifies that it *could not* have been far from the real thing. Registry included. You don't think that if it was an unusual or 'wrong' registry number that they would have noticed?
And as I was trying to demonstrate, the fact that the Yamato had a reg of 1305-E doesn't necessarily mean that there were five others before it.
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But, er, you weren't demonstrating it. You said:
"I think canonically (what with the U.S.S Nash NCC-2010-B and U.S.S. Dauntless NX-01-A) we have seen that the letter suffix cannot always be literally interpreted to mean that a ship is one of a series with that number."
That's not an argument, anymore than saying "I think canonically (What with the USS Defiant NCC-74205) we have seen that the numbers cannot literally mean that there are monkeys on the ship."
And I still prefer my "Riker is an idiot, Picard didn't care, and everyone else was too polite to correct him" theory. Unless Riker is the smartest person in the universe.
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I think what MMoM is saying is that a series of suffixed ships don't have to carry the same name - they only need to carry the same base rego number. This means that there wouldn't have to be 5 previous Yamato - only that there were 5 previous ships with the 1305 rego.
Well, except for Liam's beliefs, Riker is a pretty smart guy -- I mean, how many people applied for the XO post on the Enterprise? And only Riker got it. He's always been at least tactically intelligent -- I think "Peak Performance" mentioned how he used a planet's atmosphere to cloak his ship during a hostile engagement?
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But what's he basing it on? Do we know of any previous Nash's? Or NCC 2010's?
And don't start on the Dauntless. One, it wasn't real, and two, we've had several explanations for the registry already, such as:
The registry system only applies to Federation Starfleet vessels. The crew were idiots. Something happens to the Enterprise NX-01.
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Actually, I was saying that just because the art depatrment stuck a letter on the end of the numbe, it doesn't mean that there have been oyther ships with that number before. I'ts just another registry number. We don't know all the details of SF's registry scheme, howeve I personally have seen plenty of canonical evidence that says to me that it is both non-chronological and that letter suffixes don't always mean what they do for the Enterprise.
BTW, OnToMars I do know offhand that the first aircraft carrier was the U.S.S. Langley, CV-1.
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ACTUALLY, the first aircraft carrier was HMS Argus....but I'm not up on British registry schemese enough to tell you if she had a number or not. It WAS 1918, after all.
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"Well, except for Liam's beliefs, Riker is a pretty smart guy -- I mean, how many people applied for the XO post on the Enterprise? And only Riker got it. He's always been at least tactically intelligent -- I think "Peak Performance" mentioned how he used a planet's atmosphere to cloak his ship during a hostile engagement?"
Actually, I'd forgotten Jeff had this unrequieted love for Riker (hey, if he'd do it with an androgonous race, you've got half a chance Jeff).
But let's look at the men on the Enterprise.
Picard Geordi Worf Riker Data Wesley
Now, which of those people are obviously more intelligent than Will?
Picard Geordi Data Wesley
Which of those people have managed a promotion in the past 11 years?
Geordi Worf Wesley
So, to summerise, Riker is more intelligent than Troi. Whoop. And dee doo as well.
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a) Offered a choice between two promotions prior to TNG: one to command of his own ship, the Drake, the other to XO of Enterprise. He picked XO on the Enterprise.
b) Offered a promotion to Captain of the Aries during TNG's 2nd season. Turned it down to remain on Enterprise.
c) Promoted to Captain in BOBW, and offered command of Melbourne. Turned it down (good decision), and resumed role as XO of Enterprise.
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Like the Mighty Monkey of Mim, I, too, believe that the first American aircraft carrier was "registered" as CV-1. If that is true, and we both knew that (I am assuming that he, like I, is not a naval history buff), one might hope the "average" United States Navy captain would know it, too.
I am surprised that the 1305-E registry of "Yamato," wherein it would signify that she is the sixth ship to bear the name, is not more popular, given some fans view of Starfleet. Since some seem to think that Starfleet is little more than a twentieth century navy operating in space, one might believe certain fans would already be working on the six-part crossover book series about ships named after a large and powerful twentieth century battleship:
Part 1--The first "Yamato" (what Starfleet built once "Enterprise" proved so whimpy) Part 2--The Dreadnaught "Yamato" (sister to the "Entente) Part 3--The Excelsior Class "Yamato" (commanded by that Indian captain in "Star Trek IV," who lost the "Yorktown") Part 4--The Ambassador Class "Yamato" ("persuaded" the Klingons to become allies) Part 5--The Prometheus Class "Yamato" (spied on the Romulans during their quiet period, and confirmed the 5xxxx registry number since it came before . . . ) Part 6--The Galaxy Class "Yamato" (we all know Captain Donald Varley would come alive on paper)
Personally, when the producers screw up, but there was an effort to make it right originally (Mike Okuda tried to correct the Yamato's registry number the first time), I am willing to give them a second chance. Thus, I accept the 7xxxx number.
He allowed "Enterprise" to be taken over by two Birds of Prey commanded by a few Ferengi.
"Enterprise (D)" was destroyed under his command by one old Bird of Prey.
He resorted to a hokey gimmick ("The Riker Maneuver") instead of letting the Son'a ships have it (or is the most advanced, powerful starship in the fleet no match for the Son'a?).
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The point about Riker's being S-M-R-T has to do w/ various things he's said, not done. For example, calling Chief O'Brien "lieutenant", or asking what trilithium was.
Nevertheless, he'd have to be really dumb to read "NCC-1305-E" off of a hull that said "NCC-71807".
BTW, of course we've seen an NCC-2010 before: the Jenolan. Otherwise, why would there be any problem w/ the Nash?
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