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Personally...if I were in a shuttle, I would not try and land in the saucer "shuttlebays/impulse engines." Not a big fan of extra-crispy.
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Eaves said they were impulse engines. I can't remember the exact quote, but it was something along the lines of
"I stuck two big impulse engines on the saucer. I figured the saucer would need them if it seperated. The monkeys in Return to Oz frighten me. Go biscuits!"
Or something like that.
The Ent-B MSD is missing the new stickey-out bits (sorry for being tecnical) on the stardrive section, isn't it?
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Hey, the big impulse engines could still be shuttlebays. They could simply have been lit red in the TWO SHOTS they were really seen in any detail, if they ship was at red alert. Or if some people were toasting marshmelons in the big open spaces. Or the material they were made of was really shiny, and was merely reflecting the nexus they were in. I know the physical model has red ports, but hey, maybe it's just creative painting.
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Oh, and while we're at it, here's a pic of the aft cutout section of the original six-foot Excelsior model, as modified into the E-B and then the Lakota. You can see it differs significantly from the 3-foot "Flashback" model shown above.
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Still think that the MSD guys just didnt have the final model, so made many errors including two nonexistent shuttlebays and a lack of later hull details. Why is this theory persisting? Are we going to have a 1701-D duck, airplane and Nomad probe because it was on their MSD? graphics department does all sorts of nonsensical stuff..
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in the TNG Movie Sketchbook they are specifically said to be impulse engines "because the ship would need extra engines when the saucer detached" (paraphrased from a quote by John Eaves about the extra parts and doohickies that he designed for the Enterprise-b). i, like many others, might not particuraly like John Eaves' designs, but i believe him when he says that red glowy impulse engine looking things that he designed are impulse engines.
[edit: i'm in no way saying that the impulse engines make any sense, i'm just repeating what John Eaves said.]
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I'm of the opinion that the pic of the underside cutout area shown above and the one at the link above support the idea that that is a shuttle bay area. You can see a set of what look like "garage" doors in one of those pictures and the structure mounted to the ceiling of that area looks perfect for a docking port. The Ent B modification even has little arms attached to that area that would make perfect sence for recovery tools or repair eqipment.
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Then again, the E-B/Lakota modification specifically blocks those "garage doors" by extending that whole strange structure and moving it aft, closer to the cavity rim. And the doors are small to begin with, barely one deck high.
It sure looks as if both the models of that structure would be able to accommodate a relatively large auxiliary vessel that docks from below, though. Those tiny "arms" would then pamper this vessel, while access to the mothership would be through bow or topside doors.
This would be a perfect place to install the ship's antimatter pods, though. Easy ejection, easy replenishment, and those boxes on the ceiling even look a bit like antimatter pods. Those of the Lakota would be bigger and badder, of course.
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Trus. It could also be an "foreign ship" docking bay, where nonstandard ships would dock if they were not equipped for the aft bay (e.g. gravity, etc.), or needed repairs, or whatever. It could also still be a cargo bay, as some of the doors look small enough for a cargo bay set (though I doubt Bill George was thinking about that) and the arms could be for unloading workbees or something.
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Maybe that stuff in the back is a towing arm that the designs slapped on the Excelsior so that it could tow back all the Constitution Class ships And when it comes to the Lakota Starfleet decided to keep the design feature because it was helpful.
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To me ... (and I speak only for myself here) ... my bet is its access to the ship's cargo bays. Thats what the model detail looked like, anyways.
quote:in the TNG Movie Sketchbook they are specifically said to be impulse engines "because the ship would need extra engines when the saucer detached" (paraphrased from a quote by John Eaves about the extra parts and doohickies that he designed for the Enterprise-b). i, like many others, might not particuraly like John Eaves' designs, but i believe him when he says that red glowy impulse engine looking things that he designed are impulse engines.
Maybe so, but have they ever been referred to as engines on screen? I don't think so, but my memory may be faulty. At least the MSD has been seen on screen. If we're going to get into arguments over which one we should accept, we might as well go back over to the Yamato registry thread for a few more rounds on that topic.
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